I can't remember which got me thinking first: the UN/NGO Scandal or the fact the Stephen Lett is obviously such an idiot that there's no way in hell that God would ever pick him to represent him. They both hit about the same time, 2002/3.
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What started me on the path to waking up about the lies the WT teaches?
by oppostate init was a simple question: isn't jesus my "mediator" if i put faith in him like the scriptures say?
the research to that answer, from the w79 4/1 p. 31, was mind blowing.
how dare they deny me a belief firmly stated in the scriptures?
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Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting Act
by Oubliette inin light of anthony morris' latest propaganda piece, i thought it might be informative for members of our community to see what is typically required of mandated reporters.
here is what a credentialed teacher in the state of california must agree to as part of their licensing and credentialing.
(this is a requirement of both initial credentialing as well as renewals).
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RichardHaley, interesting point, I did not know that.
So basically we're saying that the secular society in California is better at protecting children that "Jehovah's Organization."
School District janitors are mandated reporters, but JW elder/janitors are not!
Just one more indictment of this cult masquerading as "The One True Religion."
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GB Spirit directed writing - October 2015 Awake
by Listener inthe awake oct 2015 is now up on jw org.. one article talks about young adults returning to their parents home and tries to give them some advice.. one of the highlighted comments are these magical words.
<<remember, more important than what you do is becoming proficient at what you do.>>.
i don't see how it's more important to become more proficient in that window washing job than working towards a more interesting and better paying job.
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It's telling that their goal or standard is mere proficiency.
While proficiency is not a bad thing, it's certainly also not setting the bar very high. And I'm not even addressing the areas of endeavor about which they try to direct one's "proficiency!
A particular pervasive aspect of JW culture is the utter lack of encouragement to become EXCELLENT at anything. And for God's sake, don't try and pursue anything about which you care passionately!
Let's review: It's a cult!
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REQUEST: Video Links for this year's RC Dramas
by Oubliette indoes anyone have the links for this year's rc videos?
i'm especially interested in the video drama about the jw woman that married an upbaptized man.
i have a couple of friends in similar situations--wife in, they're not--and the wives still attend.
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Are the Governing Body Members Mentally Ill?
by Oubliette indata-dog: i believe that many of them would actually be considered mentally ill, if they were ever tested.. .
great question and intriguing hypothesis.
lets take an armchair psychologists view and see what we shall see.
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DD: This is a question that only we can answer about ourselves: "Before I knew TTATT, was I mentally ill?"
Actually, mentally ill people, particularly those with delusions, are generally incapable of recognizing their own delusional thinking and corresponding behavior.
If you mean, now that we are out and have some distance and perspective, then I suppose: Yes, a reflective, self-aware person might be able to look back on their beliefs and behaviors as an active JW and objectively say about themselves, "Whoa, was I fucked up or what? That was cwaaaaa-zeee!"
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Are the Governing Body Members Mentally Ill?
by Oubliette indata-dog: i believe that many of them would actually be considered mentally ill, if they were ever tested.. .
great question and intriguing hypothesis.
lets take an armchair psychologists view and see what we shall see.
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Vidiot: Joke, right?
Yes, absolutely!
They didn't call him "Crazy Freddie" for nothin!
I didn't think my sarcasm was subtle enough for you to even wonder.
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Are the Governing Body Members Mentally Ill?
by Oubliette indata-dog: i believe that many of them would actually be considered mentally ill, if they were ever tested.. .
great question and intriguing hypothesis.
lets take an armchair psychologists view and see what we shall see.
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LUHE: It might be a silly question but are there any GB members known for 'balance', moderateness or common sense?
Just this guy:
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Sociopathic Liars ?
by Finkelstein inthe sociopathic liar beware of this dangerous sociopath.
the one behavior that characterizes the human race is so widespread that most of the time we dont even notice it.
it is extremely hard to spot and it is even harder to stop.
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Great thread Fink!
Although I agree that you have to differentiate between individual JWs and the group, there is no doubt that the JW culture shows mentally unhealthy pathologies.
You inspired me to start a parallel thread. Check it out:
Are the Governing Body Members Mentally Ill?
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Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting Act
by Oubliette inin light of anthony morris' latest propaganda piece, i thought it might be informative for members of our community to see what is typically required of mandated reporters.
here is what a credentialed teacher in the state of california must agree to as part of their licensing and credentialing.
(this is a requirement of both initial credentialing as well as renewals).
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Are the Governing Body Members Mentally Ill?
by Oubliette indata-dog: i believe that many of them would actually be considered mentally ill, if they were ever tested.. .
great question and intriguing hypothesis.
lets take an armchair psychologists view and see what we shall see.
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Are the Governing Body Members Mentally Ill?
Data-dog: I believe that many of them would actually be considered mentally ill, if they were ever tested.
Great question and intriguing hypothesis. Let’s take an armchair psychologist’s view and see what we shall see.
First of all, we know they believe things that are demonstrably untrue and/or in clear contradiction with reality. This is the definition of a delusion, which is typically a symptom of mental disorder.
Also, they think Satan and "this system of things" is out to get them, thereby exhibiting signs of paranoia.
And although they can appear superficially normal and even charming at times, they are nonetheless completely lacking in normal human compassion and empathy. They apparently have no consciences as evidenced by their ongoing, utter failure to admit to ever being wrong about anything. They never, ever show any guilt or remorse; they show total disregard for the untold pain and suffering they have caused to countless millions of people; are routinely and oft times brutally calculating and manipulative of their followers seeking their own selfish gain and desires, all the while simultaneously believing they are special and deserve more and better things than everyone around them. These traits are the classic characteristics of a life-long psychopath.
So there you have it: the Governing Body members are paranoid, delusional psychopaths and they are the leaders of a well-established religion with substantial numbers of followers Earthwide.
The implications of this are obviously very serious. Anyone that tries to imitate them will inevitably end up mimicking these same antisocial personality disorders. Sound like anyone you know? Yourself maybe?
Induced delusional disorder (or shared paranoid disorder), also known as folie à deux, is a fairly uncommon disturbance characterized by the presence of similar psychotic symptoms in two or more individuals.
According to Phillip W. Long, MD, the dominant person (in this case: the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses) in the relationship has a delusional disorder and convinces the nondominant person (the Rank & File Witnesses) to adopt his delusional beliefs. Needless to say, that's pretty messed up.
The bad news is that induced paranoia and delusions are very resistant to treatment. A combination of psychotherapy and medication is usually required. According to Dr. Joseph Goldberg, “Psychotherapy can help the person with shared psychotic disorder recognize the delusion and correct the underlying thinking that has become distorted. … However, psychotherapy without antipsychotic medications is rarely able to alter false, fixed beliefs.” And of course a person can't even begin to get help unless they admit there's a problem.
There is, however, some potential good news: the nondominant person can usually overcome the delusions and regain their mental health once separated from the psychotic dominant person or in this case the Jehovah's Witness religion and the influence of its leadership.
To paraphrase a familiar verse for most of us: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her insanity, and if you do not want to receive part of her mental illness."