so i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
TR: That's why I am pleased that one of the good things that has come indirectly from starting this thread, is that my child's class are going to debate the issue, as a school project. ( The class is made up of 9 & 10 year olds)
Elementary school kids are going to debate whether or not the US landed humans on the moon?
As a professional educator, all I can say is this: That is really stupid!
Where do you live, Niger?
i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.
my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.
she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.
Magnum: they won't come to me and discuss the matter.
Because they are afraid.
Great reasoning Magnum. I totally agree. The average R&F witness is morally culpable for not being honest about the overwhelming flaws in their religion.
Let's review: It's a cult!
i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.
my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.
she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.
DF: Anyway it took a great deal of effort not to punch her in the nose.
Your wife is clearly out of control and her behavior unacceptable.
Resorting to physical violence in return is certainly NOT going to help the situation. I'm glad you restrained yourself.
DF: She also warned me that I am not stronger than Jehovah and that I cannot fight against Jehovah.
Since Jehovah doesn't exist I think you're safe.
I suggest you tell your wife to watch the RC interview of Geoffrey Jackson and then come to her own conclusions.
lunacy?
insanity?
without a doubt.
As both Justice McLellan and Angus Stewart pointed out, Australia has a legal concept known as misprision which requires all citizens to report any criminal activity to the proper authorities.
Vincent Toole claimed to not know about that particular law and how it applied. He also said that he believed that mandatory reporting laws somehow over-ruled the concept of misprision (never mind that he contradicted himself in saying that).
Even still, there are states in Australia that do have mandatory reporting laws and yet not one of the 1,006 known abusers in Australia were ever reported to the authorities by JW elders. Not one!
i think that a person that is called before a judicial committee can use a recording of the trial and force the elder to view it because of jackson's statement to the commission and get off.
i think mr jackson has said enough about people who wish to leave the witnesses as not being harassed, hunted down, or spied upon and such to get the elder off your back and give them a "good witness".. also to be highlighted is the fact that jackson has stated under oath that the governing body is willing to reexamine doctrine and policy in order to conform to the law,.
i think many statements by gb jackson to the commission can be used by some one clever and thus escape the label of apostate and be unhindered to a large extent of speaking to others.. .
BW, while the idea in your OP makes sense, it is based on the presumption that Elders care about logic, justice and acting in ways in harmony with those precepts.
Elders are just like the average JW (actually more so): they are indoctrinated, mind-controlled people that will do whatever the WT Leadership tell them to do.
The fact that, over the last 65 years, not one out of 1,006 cases of known abusers in the organization in Australia was reported to the proper civil authorities proves that.
The elders are tools. They just do what they are told. Thinking isn't something they are told to do.
note: i sent this e-mail to their contact mail address and now, i wish to make it public for it truly expresses my current thoughts!.
a jw's thank you note... from mexico!.
first of all, let me tell you i am still one of jehovah's witnesses.
please enlighten me as to where and when...
please enlighten me as to where and when...
i have seen some ask on this site how the active jw's are handling what is happening in australia.
here is my little experience from last night........ my parents were baptized in the late 30's as children and have never faltered in their determination to survive the great tribulation and live forever in paradise (even though they actively associate with all their df'ed kids).
my father is still actively serving as an elder and my mother has always been by his side.
It's funny how different Jackson's answer look depending on one's particular perspective.
straight after the commission ended today within minutes, the phone rang.
it was one of the people who are working on it.
firstly she established if i was alright and did i want to talk.. i said i was too tired and unhappy that geoffrey jackson managed to do some preaching....she said they were aware of that.
Umberto, thank you very much for sharing this.
I didn't think for a second that anyone on the RC was fooled by Jackson's duplicity and evasiveness, but it is nice to get confirmation.
