i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.
we both served as elders for years.
he is in his late 70s.
John Aquila: You know, I have pointed this out to several jws but they don't seem to be able to put 2 + 2 together. I guess they are not ready for ttatt.
Agreed.
As much as I've read about the power of mind-control and propaganda and reflected on my own experience (30 years a JW), I'm still astounded how this stuff works!
i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.
we both served as elders for years.
he is in his late 70s.
JA: One of the talks dealt with King Ahab and his queen Jezebel who killed Jehovah's prophets. God's name was still with Israel but the individuals running the show had become corrupted.
Thanks for clarifying.
I've often wondered how every JW doesn't see this. The entire history of the Bible is about the leaders being corrupt. It's a foregone conclusion that all religious leaders will become the wicked Kings and/or the Pharisees.
The heroes of the Bible always pointed out the hypocrisy and corruption of the then current leadership, generally at great personal cost.
So it shouldn't be surprising that when a JW wakes up to TTATT they get disfellowshipped. It is simply repeating the Biblical narrative albeit in modern form.
just got a phone call from an older sister saying that a couple that got re-assigned from bethel 4 years ago to live at their kh apartment as special pioneers, just received a letter saying "as of january 2016, your special pioneer assignment will be discontinued".. they live in a south miami kh(snapper creek congregation).. this couple had only served in bethel for 15 years before they were sent out into the special pioneer work.
they are now in their mid 50's and the sister said that they have to find part time jobs to support themselves.. the older sister (does not have a pc or internet), says that the couple are just devastated!
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i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.
we both served as elders for years.
he is in his late 70s.
Simon: the fact that there aren't [more splinter groups] demonstrates that the majority don't really have strongly held beliefs about much other than that the society is always right. That is their one and only core belief.
THAT is a very interesting observation!
i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.
we both served as elders for years.
he is in his late 70s.
John Aquila: These guys are not apostates
Could you please explain what you mean?
If you mean they're not like Lloyd Evans (John Cedars) in being openly confrontational, I get that.But certainly the WT leadership would consider them apostates.
i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.
we both served as elders for years.
he is in his late 70s.
John, that is really interesting.
It looks like a schism of sorts is in the works.
I'm not surprised; actually I've wondered why this hasn't happened before. Well, apparently it has.
The problem with something like this is the lack of a central doctrine or belief to keep any splinter group going.
I'm reminded too of a statement by Ray Franz (I'm paraphrasing) that so often people that are disillusioned with the corruption and loss of direction by their own religion start a new one, unfortunately with "disturbing regularity" it generally turns into the very thing they tried to get away from.
Please keep us posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_h68ktwpim&feature=youtu.be.
last night our congregation read a letter for the global assistance arrangement combined with the traveling overseer assistance arrangement.
the "recommended" amount was $15 per publisher, which was well over $1000 for our hall.. it seemed steep.
our congregation does not have this type of money.
nmthinker: Pathetic, really. I will never give WTBS another dime of my money. I'll be giving it to orphans and widows, the needy of my family and the congregation.
Good for you!
nmthinker: Something doesn't add up.
Yes it does: It's a cult!
october 2015 awake article writes:.
this experiment led jeffrey h. schwartz, a professor of anthropology, to conclude that while adaptation may help a species survive under changing circumstances, it is not creating anything new.. email response from scientist to reddit user myxomatosis_.
reddit user u/opinionmill pointed out in another thread that they've used the quote before:.
i had a discussion with an elder recently.
it was interesting in a macabre sense.
we were outside the kingdom hall on a nice sunny day recently.
PS: Since you finally decided to respond directly to one of my posts from the first page of this thread, I gotta ask: Why did you choose to quote my response to Morpheus and not my first post which was directed to you?
What exactly was the point you were trying to make? It's not very clear.
Responding nicely to that could have avoided a lot of trouble.
I'm just sayin' is all!
