Oubliette

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  New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

  7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

  for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

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  I thought they were toning down their rhetoric.

  Nope. Think again.
  
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  Give me 5 minutes to explain...

  by pixel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i keep thinking about the time i will "come out" and tell my wife about this sick cult.

  i don't know when that day will come, but knowing me i will seat down with her and ask her for 5 minutes to explain to her why we as a family has to get out.

  my question is: what will you tell somebody in 5 minutes, that will convince that perdon that this is not a good religion to follow and that we have been deceived?.

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  I tried that 13 years ago. That woman is now my ex-wife and still brainwashed by the cult.

  Good luck, you'll need it!
  
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  Dissenters in Watchtower History: Differing Departures

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm reading an excellent book about defectors from the mormon church called differing visions: dissenters in mormon history.

  through a collection of essays from many academic authors it looks at the life stories of dissenters and reasons for departure, as well as analysing the impact of their dissent on the church itself.

  fascinating stuff and makes me wish there was a similar volume looking at the key dissenters from jws/watchtower and the impact they had.

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  Another name to ponder perhaps is musician Frank Kavelin

  Frank didn't help me leave, but he and his wife Barbara have been a huge help and support after I left, especially in those first few months when I was so emotionally fragile.

  But Frank is not an outspoken dissenter. He is just a regular guy trying to live the rest of his life as normally as possible after spending the majority of it in a high-control, authoritarian cult.
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  Lets start a "Go Fund Me" for those special pioneers being kicked to the curb by the GB,.

  by notjustyet in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  lots of great potential to help those sp that are being sent off without any financial help from the wtbts.

  i think that it would be a great way to get some exposure on this topic and how the wtbts thats those that dedicated their lives to the wtbts only to be sent packing at a late age.

  then someone can take the funds to one sp couple, possibly, and give it to them in honor of the apostates that know what is really happening.

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  What the organization is doing to its most loyal members is wrong, but why would any of us want to help support people that still believe the org is doing "Jehovah's work"?
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  Dissenters in Watchtower History: Differing Departures

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm reading an excellent book about defectors from the mormon church called differing visions: dissenters in mormon history.

  through a collection of essays from many academic authors it looks at the life stories of dissenters and reasons for departure, as well as analysing the impact of their dissent on the church itself.

  fascinating stuff and makes me wish there was a similar volume looking at the key dissenters from jws/watchtower and the impact they had.

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  Oubliette

  
  

  VI: Why do you believe that Cedars has a greater position than Raymond Franz?

  I'm with VI on this!?! Barbara Anderson has had a tremendous impact as a result of her insider knowledge, particularly concerning the pedophile issue.
  

  xjwsrock: SBF is being sarcastic about Cedars.

  I sure hope that's the case. Seriously.

  Just get ready for it. There are quite a few people on this forum that get very nasty, quite rabid actually, with anyone that dares to criticize Cedars.
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  Dissenters in Watchtower History: Differing Departures

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm reading an excellent book about defectors from the mormon church called differing visions: dissenters in mormon history.

  through a collection of essays from many academic authors it looks at the life stories of dissenters and reasons for departure, as well as analysing the impact of their dissent on the church itself.

  fascinating stuff and makes me wish there was a similar volume looking at the key dissenters from jws/watchtower and the impact they had.

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  SBF, Interesting list and great idea.

  Why don't YOU write the book?
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  Something interesting!

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

  we both served as elders for years.

  he is in his late 70s.

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  JA: The WT sometimes looks like Santa Claus compared to other mind-controlled organizations or individuals.

  Yes, but the fact that there are worse examples of exploitation doesn't exonerate the WTBTS. In some ways they are especially culpable because of their claims of "having the truth" and being "the One True Religion."
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  The Psychological Manipulation of the Watchtower.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when someone interacts with you they can influence your thoughts and also manipulate your thinking.

  i became aware that this is what i was doing with householders on the ministry.

  we chipped away at householders with manipulation, and called it a return call.

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  If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - George S. Patton
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  Your thoughts on Halloween , yes, no or maybe ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well its that time again when the ghouls come out to play.

  i personally think halloween is a bit irresponsible and inappropriate from a sociological perspective.. there's something about the intent of frightening young impressionable children minds with frightening objests.

  and feeding them candy which most likely cause tooth decay and stomachs is irresponsible activity conducted by adults.

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  Something interesting!

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

  we both served as elders for years.

  he is in his late 70s.

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  John Aquila: You know, I have pointed this out to several jws but they don't seem to be able to put 2 + 2 together. I guess they are not ready for ttatt.

  Agreed.

  As much as I've read about the power of mind-control and propaganda and reflected on my own experience (30 years a JW), I'm still astounded how this stuff works!