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  If I've been testy lately, here's why.

  by cappytan in

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  my parents are visiting for not-thanksgiving.

  dad started bringing up spiritual stuff and i almost screwed up my fade.. it's so hard to have a genuine discussion about the issues in the organization when you have become an atheist.

  it feels icky and disgusting to have to pretend and nod your head at such platitudes as "you just need to have faith"..."trust in jehovah"..."jehovah will correct it"..."remember ray franz?

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  Have you been "testy"?

  I thought you were just getting more interesting!
  
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  If I've been testy lately, here's why.

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my parents are visiting for not-thanksgiving.

  dad started bringing up spiritual stuff and i almost screwed up my fade.. it's so hard to have a genuine discussion about the issues in the organization when you have become an atheist.

  it feels icky and disgusting to have to pretend and nod your head at such platitudes as "you just need to have faith"..."trust in jehovah"..."jehovah will correct it"..."remember ray franz?

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  nowwhat? You seem like a good guy I wish you would re think about being an atheist

  Everyone is an atheist in regards to most of the gods men have invented over our history: Thor, Isis, Ra, Apollo, etc.

  I just believe in one less god than you do. - (paraphrasing Richard Dawkins).
  
  
  
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  If I've been testy lately, here's why.

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my parents are visiting for not-thanksgiving.

  dad started bringing up spiritual stuff and i almost screwed up my fade.. it's so hard to have a genuine discussion about the issues in the organization when you have become an atheist.

  it feels icky and disgusting to have to pretend and nod your head at such platitudes as "you just need to have faith"..."trust in jehovah"..."jehovah will correct it"..."remember ray franz?

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  Cappy: dad said Tony was a loose cannon and that if he doesn't straighten up, Jehovah will deal with him. He brought up Ray Franz as an example of a Governing Body member going bad.

  Except Ray Franz left Bethel because he had a crisis of conscience. ToMo is the ultimate "company man" dictating the appropriate tightness of our pants and what kind of socks are acceptable or not.

  There is no comparison between the two. Your dad clearly lacks anything resembling critical thinking skills.

  At some point you're going to find that you'll have to sit down and have a heart to heart, "Mom and Dad, I love you and would like to maintain a relationship with you, but I can no longer pretend to believe things that are nonsense. I hope you can respect my integrity to reality, but if you cannot then that is your decision to make.

  "I will never forsake you. Will you forsake me, choosing loyalty to Tight Pants Tony over your own son?"
  
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  Just Saw "Spotlight"

  by DNCall in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  we just returned from seeing spotlight and really enjoyed it.

  the film is based on the account of the boston globes expose of the systemic problem of pedophilia within the catholic archdiocese of boston.

  the end crawl of the movie documents the prevalence of this problem in archdioceses worldwide that have come to light since that time in the early 2000s..

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  For those not familiar with the issue of pedophiles and homosexuals among the GB members, here is an article Randy Watters wrote about it:

  Homosexuality at Bethel and among members of the Governing Body of the Watch Tower Society

  In this article, he discusses three former GB members: Leo Greenlees, Percy Chapman and Ewart Chitty.
  

  [Edited for clarity in light of Simon's comments below]
  
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  Just Saw "Spotlight"

  by DNCall in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  we just returned from seeing spotlight and really enjoyed it.

  the film is based on the account of the boston globes expose of the systemic problem of pedophilia within the catholic archdiocese of boston.

  the end crawl of the movie documents the prevalence of this problem in archdioceses worldwide that have come to light since that time in the early 2000s..

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  Oubliette

  
  "Shocking as it is, even some who have been prominent in Jehovah's organization have succumbed to immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and child molesting" - Watchtower of January 1st, 1986

  You raise an interesting point. It has always struck me as curious that many--maybe even most--people will avoid recognizing the obvious truth when it confronts them in undeniable ways.
  

  Never knowing any of the GB directly, I can only speculate. But they are human too and subject to the same failings as all of us, perhaps more so due to the universal isolation from living in the real world combined with lack of higher education among any of them.
  

  For these and perhaps other reasons, they have demonstrated a now institutionalized willingness to sweep issues under the rug that would otherwise force them to realize that this is NOT the "One True Religion" and they are NOT part of "the anointed," "The Faithful and Discreet Slave" and that even their role as "Governing Body" is all a delusional farce.

  This may help explain why there is such a clearly top-down cover-up of the pedophile problems within the WTBTS.
  

  It would be nice if the media would focus a spotlight on the JW coverup of pedophiles, but as you observed, "
  the scale is much, much smaller within Jehovah’s Witnesses."
  

  "We need to focus on the institution. ... Show me that it came from the top down!" - Line from the movie: Spotlight
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  ATT: WARNING

  by EJ257 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please be aware of everything that is happening around the world at this moment in time.

  this goes to anyone, ex-communicated, removed, serving, believer and non.

  at this point in my observations i have realized many religions/ideologies know there is some sort "end of time" or a transition into a new order of living in this earth.

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  even bethel knows it's insanely close

  Just as they have for the last 139 years .... I'll take my chances.
  
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  Gerrit Losch Hypocritical: "Let Your Light Shine" Talk Given After His Refusal To Let His Light Shine Before Caesar In A Court Room

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  losch's refusal to appear in court when subpeona'd to give testimony before a judge over his involvement in child abuse cover up and endangerment lawsuit .

  i think such conduct should take away his freeness of speech and label him as a supreme hypocrite for giving such a talk about letting one light shine when he seems to be afraid to let his light shine in a court of law.

  this man's hypocrisy knows no limits, and is extremely shameful.

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  For any doubting lurkers, yes! He really did say that:
  

  
  

  
  
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  Gerrit Losch Hypocritical: "Let Your Light Shine" Talk Given After His Refusal To Let His Light Shine Before Caesar In A Court Room

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  losch's refusal to appear in court when subpeona'd to give testimony before a judge over his involvement in child abuse cover up and endangerment lawsuit .

  i think such conduct should take away his freeness of speech and label him as a supreme hypocrite for giving such a talk about letting one light shine when he seems to be afraid to let his light shine in a court of law.

  this man's hypocrisy knows no limits, and is extremely shameful.

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  "I do not answer to Watchtower. .... Watchtower does not have, and never has had, any authority over me." - Gerrit Lösch in a signed Declaration submitted to the Superior Court of the State of California, County of San Diego, dated February 4th, 2014
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  Things WT Would Have To Do To Be An Acceptable Religion

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  drop shunning or at least drop shunning among family members.

  make blood transfusions a conscience matter, no more hlc.

  drop the two witness rule, mandatory reporting of child abuse, no privileges for offenders.

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  As far as I'm concerned, there is no such things as an "acceptable religion."

  How can teaching things that are not true ever be acceptable?
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  Elder harassed my mom and asked for donation

  by kaik in

  1. social
  2. family

  my mom had surgery last month and she developed complication and had to be on antibiotics to treat infection.

  so, she is recovering slowly, but things was tough on her and she was not attending kh or went to assembly two weeks ago.

  nonetheless, elder showed up at her place and instead providing her with comfort he started to harass her that her faith is weak, she does not put trust in jah, etc.

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  Hopefully that conduct will help her wake up to the fact that she is in a cult: a greedy, insensitive, money-hungry, high control, authoritarian cult!