Posts by Oubliette

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Conti Appeal Preview - Oral Argument Jan 14

by Chaserious in

with hopefully a good deal of interest here in the conti appeal tomorrow (or later today, depending on where you are), i thought that on my ride home from work tonight i'd preview what to expect and what i think the key issues are for any who are interested.

i have had a busy few weeks and haven't had time to read everything, but i had some time to look at the appeal briefs during my work commute the past couple days.

it'll be interesting to see what develops out of the network news coverage of this case.

Oubliette

The thing is it is not up to elders (or at least it isn't the law everywhere) to report a crime such as child molestation to the authorities unless they have personally been a witness to it, or have been specifically asked to do so by the victim and/or parents who will then have to accompany them. It is up to the victim or victim and/or parents. They are the ones who have to do the reporting.

What is legal/illegal and what is right and/or moral are often very different things.

The WTBTS/JWs assert that they are the most righteous people on Earth because they worship Jehovah. If that is true, then their practices should always--AND I MEAN ALWAYS--be superior to human laws.

And yet clearly they are not.

This is conclusive evidence that the policies and practices of JWs are NOT informed by the creator of the Universe.

End of story.

It's really not that difficult a problem if one isn't married to the idea that JWs "have the Truth" to the exclusion of all other people.

Let's review: It's a cult!

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Why a doubter/fader CANNOT participate in Family Worship/ How to get out it," WT Style."

by DATA-DOG in

family worship night is a boring, depressing, stifling, watchtarded indoctrination/brainwashing session.

it never ends.

like all things wt, there is no end in sight.

Oubliette

Um, I don't think you really understand how this works: To be a good and faithful JW you just need to OBEY whatever it is that the WTBTS Leadership (aka "The Governing Body") is saying now.

Whatever they said in the past is irrelevant. Arguments based on reason and/or logic are irrelevant. Pointing out inconsistencies in doctrine will only get YOU in trouble.

A much simpler and much cleaner approach is this: Just stop going.

If, and when, anyone asks why, reply, "I don't want to."

If they say, "Why not?"

Say, "It's none of your business."

Done and done.

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3rd Gen DF'd finally writing

by AFreeBeliever in

i've been reading many of the postings on this forum for a couplefew years, finally joined today.

i think reading cappytan, and others like that, compelled me to share, it seems i might have a bit of a different outcome than many i have read, perhaps it will be hopeful/helpful to someone.. i was a born-in, 3rd gen jw, my entire family (parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and most all of my childhood friends) were in.

some dropped by the wayside as the years went on, but many stayed in, and if they didn't, they still acted/talked as if they believed it was "the truth" and it was their weaknesses/failings that made them stop attending.

Oubliette

It's pretty interesting who the first three people are that greeted you!

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3rd Gen DF'd finally writing

by AFreeBeliever in

i've been reading many of the postings on this forum for a couplefew years, finally joined today.

i think reading cappytan, and others like that, compelled me to share, it seems i might have a bit of a different outcome than many i have read, perhaps it will be hopeful/helpful to someone.. i was a born-in, 3rd gen jw, my entire family (parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and most all of my childhood friends) were in.

some dropped by the wayside as the years went on, but many stayed in, and if they didn't, they still acted/talked as if they believed it was "the truth" and it was their weaknesses/failings that made them stop attending.

Oubliette

AFreeBeliever, welcome!

And thanks for sharing your story.

The most important thing you begin to develop is faith in yourself. There really is nothing else.

Because, ultimately, the most important relationship we have in this life is the one we have with our self. And you can quote me on that.

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Awesome movie: "THE GIVER". This is a MUST WATCH for witnesses and those breaking free from the WT!!!

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

you have to watch the movie "the giver"!

it is simply an awesome movie for every thinking witness, or those trying to break free from the org's hold on us.. i wont give away too much, but the concept of the film is mind blowing!

utopia vs reality etc... conformity vs individuality and humanity... etc.

Oubliette

The book is better. Also read:

Anthem, Any Rand (Lois Lowry was clearly influenced by this book in writing The Giver)

Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell

Animal Farm, George Orwell

The Scarlet Letter, Nathaniel Hawthorne

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How to explain the HYPOCRISY of the JW blood doctrine with out getting DFd?

by Crazyguy in

the jws since 1945 have taught that one should commit suicide and sacrifice oneself to god rather the take blood.

then in 2006 in an awake they said one could take hemoglobin even cow hemoglobin.

since hemoglobin makes up 96% of what a red blood cell is and 45% of the total volume of blood and is the key component of what makes blood work, how does one explain that this is obviously hypocrisy and do it in a way as to not get dfd?

Oubliette

Pretend someone else asked you the question--a co-worker, a neighbor or someone in the "field ministry"--and say you didn't know how to answer it.

(Credit to Billy the ex-Bethelite for this powerful technique: How to ask a question when questions aren't allowed)

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I'm at a loss at how to get thru to my parents. I fear they will die before they will stop shunning me.

by cognisonance in

all i want is this: for us to be a family, to spend time together enjoying life.

i don't wish to debate about their beliefs when together.

they can remain jws for all i care.

Oubliette

Mom, I’m right here in front of you now. I want to be a part of your life, I want you to be a part of mine.

It's so clear once someone is out of the cult mindset, but it's amazing how someone under mind-control simply cannot see how deluded their thinking is.

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Review of the www.ibsaconvention.org booking and Special Price

by Da.Furious in

new hotel booking for regional convention in uk.

the website is called ibsaconvention.org.

in order to be able to start booking you need a congregation number which is provided to the congregation by the branch..

Oubliette

Didn't our Lord and Savior make his entrance into this world in humble accommodations because there was no room at the in?

How thoughtful that the modern organization has gotten into the hotel booking business.

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I'm at a loss at how to get thru to my parents. I fear they will die before they will stop shunning me.

by cognisonance in

all i want is this: for us to be a family, to spend time together enjoying life.

i don't wish to debate about their beliefs when together.

they can remain jws for all i care.

Oubliette

"This is the most perfect, imperfect organization... It has to be the truth."

This is of course a completely illogical statement. The conclusion in no way follows from the premise, which is itself flawed.

As intelligent a person as your father maybe, he clearly succumbs to stubbornly holding on to his beliefs when anything threatens them.

Although it probably will not help him see TTATT, you might find this book enlightening as to why otherwise smart people refuse to accept obvious truth:

Mistakes Were Made (but not by me)

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Called on a DF'd person today.

by kairos in

wow, what a surprise that was!.

i expected a warm welcome, as this was someone i have known for a very long time.. nope, uber disfellowshipped jw.

totally caught me off guard.

Oubliette

How could you be out and not research the JW's on the internet? It's not like they'll DF you again.

Your question illustrates the difference between being physically out and mentally out.