Posts by Oubliette

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Semi Home Study Based Charter School vs. Regular School

by SonoftheTrinity in

i blame my stepkids bad grades in school squarely on the watchtower.

they don't get enough sleep because of the demands of family bible study and thursday meetings but comprimise isn't in my wife's vocabulary.

my stepson has friends at school but there are also bullies, and the classes are overcrowded with sicknesses spreading through them in a way that is detrimental to the family's health.

Oubliette

GT, everything thing you said is really, really good advice!

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The beginning of the end for shunning?

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

the borg seem to prepare for changes by missing explanations out for a while then presenting a "new understanding" which doesn't contradict the most recent discussion.check out the most recent references to gog - no identification as satan.. in today's wt study, paragraph 15 concerning benefitting from the prodigal son stated "if we meet a person who has strayed from the congregation, will we offer loving and practical help to assist him to return?

" there is no footnote or other qualifier saying not to go to disfellowshipped ones (who are definitely the ones being talked about) which is still the official policy.

i know this isn't an ending to shunning, but it may signal the start of the preparation for a change.

Oubliette

TD1914: The English version seems more loving.

May I clarify: The English version SEEMS more loving.

The WTBTS is all about appearances.

Let's review: It's a cult!

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Does everyone here know they are on record with JW's forever?

by runForever in

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richard ashe a full-time special servant of the order of jehovah's witnesses testified in the lopez case that every single disfellowshipping and disassociation and other things have all been scanned in 2011 and are and will be on permanent record with jw's forever.

is this legal?

another completely ironic and warped thing is the disfellowshipping form is called the s77 form.

Oubliette

rF: the disfellowshipping form is called the S77 form. Is that a sick joke as in forgive the S(in) of your brother 77 times? Sin 77? wow.

I never noticed that little bit of irony. Sadly funny. Thanks for noticing and sharing!

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Semi Home Study Based Charter School vs. Regular School

by SonoftheTrinity in

i blame my stepkids bad grades in school squarely on the watchtower.

they don't get enough sleep because of the demands of family bible study and thursday meetings but comprimise isn't in my wife's vocabulary.

my stepson has friends at school but there are also bullies, and the classes are overcrowded with sicknesses spreading through them in a way that is detrimental to the family's health.

Oubliette

JWDaughter: I did not read everything you wrote,

Then you shouldn't comment on it. You took several of my remarks out of context and then wrote things that agreed with other things I had said, but which you didn't know because you hadn't read them.

JWDaughter: but I just picked up a strong opinion about those without college working with a semi-home schooled student. I wasn't sure where it was coming from.

Not merely my opinion, but facts based upon years of experience working with students in an independent school environment. I know what works and I know what doesn't. Again, had you read all of my posts you would have known that. It's not like you joined a 20+ page thread in progress.

The ironic thing is that you essentially agreed with almost everything I wrote! For example, you wrote:

JWDaughter: It definitely takes more work and time to assist a home schooled student,

This was my point. Had you read all of my posts you would have known that. That being said, I'm glad to know you agree with me.

JWDaughter: ... parents work with their children in the PS system all the time and many of these parents do not have the same degrees that teachers do.

This is true, but they don't claim to be able to help the children with homework they themselves do not understand. These parents do what you so clearly described that your parents unfortunately did NOT do:

JWDaughter: the way [my parents] failed me was not that they couldn't help me with my homework but that they didn't make sure I was DOING it.

THIS is the appropriate role of a typical parent, particularly in a traditional school setting. However, the more a family moves from traditional schooling to independent study to home-schooling, the larger the role the parent needs to assume in--not only keeping their child on task, but--helping them with subject content area the student does not understand. Either the parent needs to know how to solve/teach the content or they need to hire tutors that do.

An AA in "childhood development" will simply not suffice.

So many parents bitch and moan about education in America (and there's a lot to complain about) and think they can do better when the fact is they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Oubliette

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Conti Respondent’s Brief - Can AnnOMaly’s theory Rescue Simons’ CRITICAL FACT ?

by 4rationality in

simons critcal fact = defendants assigned candace to perform field service with kendrick.

martinez testified that she saw candace and kendrick in field service together.

was candace ever assigned to anyone else?

Oubliette

Kendrick and Candace were seen together in FS [field service], then logically, the elders must have assigned Candace and Kendrick”.

Sorry, but the conclusion in the above statement does NOT in fact follow from the premise.

However, the elders have a fiduciary responsibility to be observant and to protect "the sheep." They should have seen Kendrick and Candace together and they should have prevented it.

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The beginning of the end for shunning?

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

the borg seem to prepare for changes by missing explanations out for a while then presenting a "new understanding" which doesn't contradict the most recent discussion.check out the most recent references to gog - no identification as satan.. in today's wt study, paragraph 15 concerning benefitting from the prodigal son stated "if we meet a person who has strayed from the congregation, will we offer loving and practical help to assist him to return?

" there is no footnote or other qualifier saying not to go to disfellowshipped ones (who are definitely the ones being talked about) which is still the official policy.

i know this isn't an ending to shunning, but it may signal the start of the preparation for a change.

Oubliette

If you're expecting a "kinder and gentler" Governing Body, I expect you will be sorely disappointed.

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Semi Home Study Based Charter School vs. Regular School

by SonoftheTrinity in

i blame my stepkids bad grades in school squarely on the watchtower.

they don't get enough sleep because of the demands of family bible study and thursday meetings but comprimise isn't in my wife's vocabulary.

my stepson has friends at school but there are also bullies, and the classes are overcrowded with sicknesses spreading through them in a way that is detrimental to the family's health.

Oubliette

GrreatTeacher: your Algebra I problem is like one we work on as a bonus problem in the 4th grade! Of course, we just solve it without the algebraic equations, but it just goes to show the level of work that is now expected from younger and younger students.

Just to clarify, I took this problem straight out of our Algebra I textbook. In our school, this is a class that 9th and 10th graders would take, depending on their math proficiency.

In response to your comment that 4th graders could solve this I would say this: there are often multiple ways to solve a problem. I'm not sure how you might have 4th graders solve it, but I can imagine it would be an elementary method to have them make a table of arithmetic, adults 1-45 @ $4.50 each and children 45-1 @ $2.00 each. The kids could relatively easily multiply each pair of problems and add the sums to get a subtotal. It would be time consuming, but would certainly work.

But it would not be algebra. The whole idea of building an algebraic system of equations and understanding how to do the necessary substitutions is far more sophisticated than most 4th graders could accomplish. It is also a much higher level of thinking.

The point I was trying to make, and apparently did not, is that most parents would not know how to do this and would not be able to help their children solve this problem, which incidently is from the middle of the first semester in our Algebra I course.

To reiterate, this was in response to SotT's comment that because he has an "associates degree with childhood development coursework" he felt qualified him to help his stepson with his homework.

I'm glad he has some higher education. Hopefully it helps him understand what is and what is not developmentally appropriate for his children. It does not however prepare or qualify him to teach math, science or English.

Oubliette

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Semi Home Study Based Charter School vs. Regular School

by SonoftheTrinity in

i blame my stepkids bad grades in school squarely on the watchtower.

they don't get enough sleep because of the demands of family bible study and thursday meetings but comprimise isn't in my wife's vocabulary.

my stepson has friends at school but there are also bullies, and the classes are overcrowded with sicknesses spreading through them in a way that is detrimental to the family's health.

Oubliette

GrreatTeacher: I think supporting your child in the charter school program is going to be harder than you think. ... I can't imagine how much more effort it would take to also have to teach time management and project management and supervise schoolwork those extra days of the week, a lot of that being self-taught by necessity. ... My son needs the structure of a daily school routine.

Thank you for adding your insight and experience on this point. These are exactly the issues I was trying to get SotT to consider in my posts. Many people UNDERESTIMATE the difficulties in independent study while at the same time OVERESTIMATING their abilities to "tutor" their child. It's a recipe for disaster.

Again, I'm a huge advocate of alternative education. But it's not for everyone and it most certainly is not easy.

I really appreciated your comment that, "If the child is extraordinarily organized and self-motivated and is not currently having academic difficulties, it could work." This is in a nutshell the essential qualities that a successful independent learner needs to have. I've been doing this for years and I know of what I speak.

Thanks for sharing your opinion!

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Semi Home Study Based Charter School vs. Regular School

by SonoftheTrinity in

i blame my stepkids bad grades in school squarely on the watchtower.

they don't get enough sleep because of the demands of family bible study and thursday meetings but comprimise isn't in my wife's vocabulary.

my stepson has friends at school but there are also bullies, and the classes are overcrowded with sicknesses spreading through them in a way that is detrimental to the family's health.

Oubliette

JWDaughter, the reason I said for him to not worry about the the child academically was because the child has a TEACHER and there is a plan.

Agreed. But remember that SotT expressed that the concern that he didn't believe only 2 days per week would be enough academically. He also said that he thought that his "associates degree with childhood development coursework" would qualify him to help his stepson with his homework. He later added that he "has contempt for the [school] system."

My point is that his AA degree does not qualify him to do that.

As you appropriately commented, "It is the keeping up with it that will be the challenge." This is in complete agreement with my previous comment to the OP:

Think of yourself as his mentor and coach, part of a team with the teachers to assist his learning.

What you describe sounds almost like an independent study program. The students that do well academically in these programs are generally disciplined, organized and self-motivated. If your stepson has these traits, even in a moderate amount, he can be very successful in this type of educational setting. If he has severe deficits in this area then he will almost certainly not be successful in an unstructured learning environment.

I'm not sure why you wrote: "Do you have an issue with homeschooling in general? These programs are not the stereotypical kind of homeschooling plan."

Perhaps you did not read my first post on this thread where I said, "Alternative education programs are filling an increasing need in our society."

I'm a huge proponent of alternative education. It is in fact what I do. Without giving away too many details, I teach high school as an alternative education setting in the United States. I am fully licensed and credentialed in the state in which I work, with multiple credentials and certifications appropriate to the subjects I teach and the student population with which I work. I meet weekly with my students on an individualized basis teaching them: English, math, history and science. In addition I conduct regular group sessions which focus on collaborative, Inquiry-Based Learning.

It's what I do. I see students that this works well for and those that it doesn't. From what SotT is describing about his conception of the charter school he is considering and his abilities to help his stepson, it seemed prudent to give him a dose of reality.

Oubliette

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Attacking the elders, can that bring down the cult??

by Crazyguy in

the borg has left out in the cold the victims of child molesters all to save their reputation and have used the elders to do their bidding in these evil works.

they have even made changes to their policies to put more of the responsibility on the elders.

so if the lawyers of these molestation victims which normally go after the money ie the borg were to also aggressively go after these elders in these cases could this not start a ripple effect where by elders find out and start resigning en mass to protect themselves knowing the borg not going to help them?.

Oubliette

Crazyguy, Even if the scenario you suggested played out as you suggested in your OP, it would require the word to spread among the elders in order to have any affect on individual elders.

The WTBTS has carefully cultivated a culture that keeps the average R&F JWs completely insulated from any news stories critical of the organization.

Ask the average JW if they know who Candace Conti is or if they know about the 20 court cases currently pending against the organization all related to pedophilia and you will almost certainly get blank stares of ignorance.