Posts by Oubliette

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Jehovah's Witnesses ... Proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879

by jwleaks in

the first edition of the watchtower magazine, july 1879, made the following comment on page 5 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

exactly 136 years later the latest edition of the watchtower magazine, july 2015, (paragraph 3) made the following comment on page 15 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

jehovah's witnesses ... proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879.. .

Oubliette

Wow, 136 years of being completely wrong! And never once an open honest admission of error.

But if YOU ever mess up, it's a humiliating JC for you with possible disfellowshipping and shunning.

That's pretty fucked up.

Let's review: It's a cult!

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What Things Did You Not Talk About as a JW?

by minimus in

jw
friends

you have to lead a secret life as a jw.

you're not supposed to over drink, go to night clubs, enjoy worldly concerts, etc.....sex, though is really taboo.

you could never freely talk about your sex life.

Oubliette

My ever growing doubts about the organization being what it claimed to be.

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Does the Jehovah's Witnesses fall into category of being an organized cult ?

by Finkelstein in

i think it does especially being that this organization is rigidly structured itself on formulated doctrines from a top hierarchy of men which are strictly enforced, among other reasons.

what cults are.

a cult is not necessarily a religious group, although religious cults are common, including breakaway sects from more mainstream faiths.

Does the Jehovah's Witnesses fall into category of being an organized cult ?

by Finkelstein in

i think it does especially being that this organization is rigidly structured itself on formulated doctrines from a top hierarchy of men which are strictly enforced, among other reasons.

what cults are.

a cult is not necessarily a religious group, although religious cults are common, including breakaway sects from more mainstream faiths.

i work with a JW and he doesnt know im an inactive

by user100 in

so i started working at this place 4 years ago.. and i am usually myself a still-in inactive atheist jw at work.

after several months i came to realize the guy i work with is a devout jw... im always afraid of running into him in the conventions.. he is in a different circuit but im afraid he might show up in one of the district conventions.. i am dreading that day...

Oubliette

if he tells on me then i will have to deal with the situation with the eldubs and get into a whole mess with the brainwashed wife.

You absolutely do NOT have to deal with the elder.

The wife is another situation.

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How do stop myself getting too Bitter?

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

you know, i always maintained that during this fading process, and while learning ttatt, i would not let myself get "bitter twisted and angry".... but, in all honesty, if i examine myself, i have become quite bitter toward the org, toward the false friends and the gb.. i have become angry as i see the extent of damage i feel being raised in "the truth" has done.... i feel hurt towards the lost opportunities in life etc.... how do i not allow myself to get too swallowed up by such bitterness?.

i have always been a very happy, positive, selfless person.

i can put people at ease, i am someone people feel comfortable chatting to.

Oubliette

Stuck, there is a grieving process that you need to go through.

It takes time. You can't rush it or force it.

Are you familiar with the Kubler-Ross model of the 5 Stages of Grief?

1. Denial and Isolation
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Here are a couple of articles you might find helpful:

I've heard several people say that it takes about 1 month of time away for every year you were in a dysfunctional relationship to heal. I think it is probably longer.

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i work with a JW and he doesnt know im an inactive

by user100 in

so i started working at this place 4 years ago.. and i am usually myself a still-in inactive atheist jw at work.

after several months i came to realize the guy i work with is a devout jw... im always afraid of running into him in the conventions.. he is in a different circuit but im afraid he might show up in one of the district conventions.. i am dreading that day...

Oubliette

User100: im just afraid he'll be shocked and then run to the eldubs and tell on me

And so what if he does?

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i work with a JW and he doesnt know im an inactive

by user100 in

so i started working at this place 4 years ago.. and i am usually myself a still-in inactive atheist jw at work.

after several months i came to realize the guy i work with is a devout jw... im always afraid of running into him in the conventions.. he is in a different circuit but im afraid he might show up in one of the district conventions.. i am dreading that day...

Oubliette

What are you afraid will happen?

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Candace Conti - Consequence for Elders

by The Searcher in

bodies of elders around the world will soon (tm) receive a nicely worded letter from the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, telling them that local elders are now responsible for ensuring that no perverts are allowed to be alone with any children on any kind of witness business, otherwise, the boe will be accountable to the courts - not the org!.

however, if the elders are aware that bro.

& sister oblivious sometimes ask bro.

Oubliette

It would seem likely that the WT leadership will shift the onus onto local elders.

Maybe they'll actually adopt the policy Allen Shuster claimed in his testimony exists.

One response would be to adopt the policy that known pedophiles cannot participate in Field Service at all, ever. I don't see them doing this, but it is one way to handle the problem.

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Wife wants a Family Study after the special talk...but initially refuses Bible only study.

by garyneal in

my wife asked me to attend the special talk with her because she wants to attend something like this as a family and feels that she "enjoys worshipping together" as a family.

i have not been to church for at least a year and have pretty much abandoned the practicing of my faith but i can remember how i used to want to have a church going family so i obliged.

i feel kind of apprehensive about doing these things because she wants the kids and i to be on our best behavior and has even fussed at me for playing tablet games during other talks.

Oubliette

explain to me why a Bible study cannot be a simple reading of the Bible

That's a great question. You should insist that your wife answer it.

The real answer is that studying the Bible alone would never lead a person to accept the numerous WT teachings, practices and doctrines.

But more importantly, it would not lead a person to profess obedience to the organization. Ultimately, it's about control. The WTBTS is a high-control, authoritarian religion. The Bible alone is insufficient to indoctrinate an individual into their belief system.