Posts by Oubliette

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Learners

by freemindfade in

if you were at the watchtower how many times did you hear this idiotic condescending word?

i think i must have heard it 500 times.

the learner.

Oubliette

Ok, I see.

I did a search and "learner" came up 44 times in the April 15th, Watchtower.

More weirdness from the mind of the WTBTS.

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Learners

by freemindfade in

if you were at the watchtower how many times did you hear this idiotic condescending word?

i think i must have heard it 500 times.

the learner.

The Devouring Mother Archetype(jungian) And the Watchtower Corporation's Self Identification As Mother And Jehovah As Father

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the devouring mother must be always listen to and obeyed it is the negative side of the anima image and it rules over the watchtower corporation.

jehovah(corporation's imaginary sock puppet) is the father figure with his masculine macho swagger he gains victory over every detractor and his huge narcissistic personality demands exclusive devotion from everyone or it's the death penalty, he suffers from an inflated ego and has a very dark and evil shadow due to denial of his dark nature/satan(scape goat).

the children or rank and file pee on dedicated members of the corporation must now engage in worthless pursuits to satisfy a mood swinging domineering mother and a murderous self righteous father all the while being shown a very contemptible form of conditional love, accompanied with constant death threat reminders and a carrot on a sting to keep them focused on such and busy with worthless pursuits for a hopeless cause.

Oubliette

TOH: Jung stripped Freud of most of his glory and showed him as the victim of his own grandeur personality cult.

Interesting point and one with which I would not disagree. However, it would seem that there is also a cultish following of Herr Jung.

BTW, you do realize you were quoting Ernest Jones and Saul McLeod and not me, don't you?

That being said, Jung most certainly does NOT have it all. If you really believe that, then explain in precise scientific terms how a particular memory can be passed from one individual to its offspring solely through the genetic material in the adult's sperm or eggs. Keep in mind that the majority of a female mammal's eggs are formed before she herself is born.

Archetypes are the stuff of myths, legends and epic literature, not biology or any other form of scientific inquiry.

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The Devouring Mother Archetype(jungian) And the Watchtower Corporation's Self Identification As Mother And Jehovah As Father

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the devouring mother must be always listen to and obeyed it is the negative side of the anima image and it rules over the watchtower corporation.

jehovah(corporation's imaginary sock puppet) is the father figure with his masculine macho swagger he gains victory over every detractor and his huge narcissistic personality demands exclusive devotion from everyone or it's the death penalty, he suffers from an inflated ego and has a very dark and evil shadow due to denial of his dark nature/satan(scape goat).

the children or rank and file pee on dedicated members of the corporation must now engage in worthless pursuits to satisfy a mood swinging domineering mother and a murderous self righteous father all the while being shown a very contemptible form of conditional love, accompanied with constant death threat reminders and a carrot on a sting to keep them focused on such and busy with worthless pursuits for a hopeless cause.

Oubliette

Xanthippe: I do know about archetypes.

That's good, since that IS what this thread is about.

I'm sorry you're taking umbrage at my attempts to clarify your misperceptions about the content and purpose of my comments on this thread.

Please feel free to return when you feel differently.

Oubliette

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The Devouring Mother Archetype(jungian) And the Watchtower Corporation's Self Identification As Mother And Jehovah As Father

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the devouring mother must be always listen to and obeyed it is the negative side of the anima image and it rules over the watchtower corporation.

jehovah(corporation's imaginary sock puppet) is the father figure with his masculine macho swagger he gains victory over every detractor and his huge narcissistic personality demands exclusive devotion from everyone or it's the death penalty, he suffers from an inflated ego and has a very dark and evil shadow due to denial of his dark nature/satan(scape goat).

the children or rank and file pee on dedicated members of the corporation must now engage in worthless pursuits to satisfy a mood swinging domineering mother and a murderous self righteous father all the while being shown a very contemptible form of conditional love, accompanied with constant death threat reminders and a carrot on a sting to keep them focused on such and busy with worthless pursuits for a hopeless cause.

Oubliette

Xanthippe,

Ok, let's start over. Having read zillions of your postings on this board over the years I can say that I like you and what you contribute to it. That being said, I really hate when threads degenerate into discussions about discussions rather than about content. I didn't intend to offend, just didn't want to go where it seemed like you were heading. Maybe I misread you, sorry.

So, in a good-faith attempt to return to the subject at hand, I offer this:

First of all, I never said that McLeod was "anti-Jungian." I don't know where you got that idea, but it wasn't from me!

I did write, "You might find this article written by Saul McLeod informative."

In fact, nothing I wrote can or should be construed as "anti-Jungian."

My comments have been about Jung's goofy ideas about "archetypes," the subject which this thread is all about. It is those ideas which have been widely discredited by those that take a scientific approach to psychology, not everything Jung said, wrote or did. I never said that, nor did I in any way imply it.

Again, if you re-read my first post on the subject, you will see that the very first thing I wrote about Jung is this: "Jung’s work has made some contributions to mainstream psychology."

But if you read the quotes from Wikipedia about his legacy (see above), you'll see that most of his later work was New Age nonsense and woo. It is Jung's ideas of the archetype which BW has been espousing and which are non-scientific in nature. Even he called it the "mother figure in mythology," (see the previous page of this thread).

After waking up to TTATT and leaving behind the bullshit of the WTBTS, why would we ever want to replace one set of myths and false beliefs with another?

Oubliette

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The Devouring Mother Archetype(jungian) And the Watchtower Corporation's Self Identification As Mother And Jehovah As Father

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the devouring mother must be always listen to and obeyed it is the negative side of the anima image and it rules over the watchtower corporation.

jehovah(corporation's imaginary sock puppet) is the father figure with his masculine macho swagger he gains victory over every detractor and his huge narcissistic personality demands exclusive devotion from everyone or it's the death penalty, he suffers from an inflated ego and has a very dark and evil shadow due to denial of his dark nature/satan(scape goat).

the children or rank and file pee on dedicated members of the corporation must now engage in worthless pursuits to satisfy a mood swinging domineering mother and a murderous self righteous father all the while being shown a very contemptible form of conditional love, accompanied with constant death threat reminders and a carrot on a sting to keep them focused on such and busy with worthless pursuits for a hopeless cause.

Oubliette

From Wikipedia:

Carl Jung: Alchemy
The work and writings of Jung from the 1940s onwards focused on alchemy.

In 1944 Jung published Psychology and Alchemy, where he analyzed the alchemical symbols and showed a direct relationship to the psychoanalytical process. He argued that the alchemical process was the transformation of the impure soul (lead) to perfected soul (gold), and a metaphor for the individuation process.

In 1963 Mysterium Coniunctionis first appeared in English as part of in The Collected Works of C. G. Jung. Mysterium Coniunctionis was Jung's last book and focused on the "Mysterium Coniunctionis" archetype, known as the sacred marriage between sun and moon. Jung argued that the stages of the alchemists, the blackening, the whitening, the reddening and the yellowing, could be taken as symbolic of individuation — his favourite term for personal growth.
Carl Jung: Legacy
Jung saw the human psyche as "by nature religious" and made this religiousness the focus of his explorations. Jung is one of the best known contemporary contributors to dream analysis and symbolization. His influence on popular psychology, the "psychologization of religion", spirituality and the New Age movement has been immense. - Emphasis added

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The Devouring Mother Archetype(jungian) And the Watchtower Corporation's Self Identification As Mother And Jehovah As Father

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the devouring mother must be always listen to and obeyed it is the negative side of the anima image and it rules over the watchtower corporation.

jehovah(corporation's imaginary sock puppet) is the father figure with his masculine macho swagger he gains victory over every detractor and his huge narcissistic personality demands exclusive devotion from everyone or it's the death penalty, he suffers from an inflated ego and has a very dark and evil shadow due to denial of his dark nature/satan(scape goat).

the children or rank and file pee on dedicated members of the corporation must now engage in worthless pursuits to satisfy a mood swinging domineering mother and a murderous self righteous father all the while being shown a very contemptible form of conditional love, accompanied with constant death threat reminders and a carrot on a sting to keep them focused on such and busy with worthless pursuits for a hopeless cause.

Oubliette

BW, Jungian psychology is still practiced today ... just type in Jungian analyst with your zip code and you will find it is still use in psychoanalysis.

I tried what you said and was surprised. There are indeed several individuals in my general area promoting themselves as Certified Jungian Analysts.

I sit corrected.

But this does not of course mean it's scientifically valid.

BTW, there are also dozens of Kingdom Halls in my area, hundreds of churches, countless psychics, numerous shamans and "healers" of various traditions and backgrounds.

It would be a mistake to replace one set of myths with another.

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The Devouring Mother Archetype(jungian) And the Watchtower Corporation's Self Identification As Mother And Jehovah As Father

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the devouring mother must be always listen to and obeyed it is the negative side of the anima image and it rules over the watchtower corporation.

jehovah(corporation's imaginary sock puppet) is the father figure with his masculine macho swagger he gains victory over every detractor and his huge narcissistic personality demands exclusive devotion from everyone or it's the death penalty, he suffers from an inflated ego and has a very dark and evil shadow due to denial of his dark nature/satan(scape goat).

the children or rank and file pee on dedicated members of the corporation must now engage in worthless pursuits to satisfy a mood swinging domineering mother and a murderous self righteous father all the while being shown a very contemptible form of conditional love, accompanied with constant death threat reminders and a carrot on a sting to keep them focused on such and busy with worthless pursuits for a hopeless cause.

Oubliette

X, I not only read your entire post but I read the entire article you cited from Saul Mcleod. It's weird that you read my reply but didn't realise this.

I do realize you read McLeod's article, that's why I think it's strange you wrote what you did.

But now that we've descended into talking about talking (or "writing about writing" as the case may be) and not about any actual content, I'll leave you all to your Jungian myths and bow out with a friendly ...

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The Devouring Mother Archetype(jungian) And the Watchtower Corporation's Self Identification As Mother And Jehovah As Father

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the devouring mother must be always listen to and obeyed it is the negative side of the anima image and it rules over the watchtower corporation.

jehovah(corporation's imaginary sock puppet) is the father figure with his masculine macho swagger he gains victory over every detractor and his huge narcissistic personality demands exclusive devotion from everyone or it's the death penalty, he suffers from an inflated ego and has a very dark and evil shadow due to denial of his dark nature/satan(scape goat).

the children or rank and file pee on dedicated members of the corporation must now engage in worthless pursuits to satisfy a mood swinging domineering mother and a murderous self righteous father all the while being shown a very contemptible form of conditional love, accompanied with constant death threat reminders and a carrot on a sting to keep them focused on such and busy with worthless pursuits for a hopeless cause.

Oubliette

BW and Xanthippe, it's more than a little weird that you only seemed to read the portion of my post with which you disagree.

I also wrote, "Jung’s work has made some contributions to mainstream psychology."

Making "contributions to" and having "ideas which were important to the development of" does not a coherent, cohesive and comprehensive theory make.

I am aware of and fully understand those valid ideas of Jung's. I'm equally aware of those that have been largely discredited as "pseudo-philosophy" and "New Age mystical speculation."

It is those ideas of the archetype which BW has been espousing and which are non-scientific in nature.

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Very Offensive Statement Directed To JW Parents-Watchtower 4/15/2015 Page 11 Paragraph 9

by JW GoneBad in

wt is insinuating, worse yet, blaming senior jw parents for there not being more younger brothers reaching out to be ministerial servants and elders.

page 11 paragraph 9 reads as follows: .

"elders in affluent lands may face an added challenge: how to motivate baptized brothers in their 20s or 30s to get involved in congregation activities.

Oubliette

Splash, thanks for the research which shows the WTBTS cannot decide whether they "need" more spiritual men or have "an abundance."

They seem pretty indecisive.