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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Oubliette

  The OP is about respecting others and their views.

  And I think it's been well discussed that those two things should not be conflated or confused. It it possible to completely disagree with and even attack false and/or wrong beliefs without disrespecting the person. (Of course, not all people are worthy of respect, but that is a separate question).

  It is also important that if and when another person points out that we have a viewpoint or belief that contains or is possibly completely wrong, that we learn to recognize that and respond without attacking that other person.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  How funny. I just noticed that (back on page 8) four people "Disliked" my request for clarification from EdenOne when I asked, "What exactly is 'that' type of behavior?"

  It is unlikely that it was EdenOne, as he/she immediately and graciously explained what EO meant.

  I don't take those "Dislikes" personally, but I do find it both annoying and amusing as it typifies the problem that the OP address and the very worst of this forum: people responding emotionally rather than rationally.

  Seriously, how could anyone "dislike" a request for clarification? That is NOT helpful.
  
  
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  name-calling and condescending, derogatory remarks aimed directly at the person that is defending an idea or opinion or belief that you don't agree with. That is the behavior at question.

  Thanks for clarifying. That is of course inappropriate.

  I believe it is not only acceptable, but indeed appropriate to point out inconsistencies and errors in beliefs as well as to correct false ones. But that does not mean that the one doing the correcting should try to make the other person feel bad nor should they attack them personally.

  On the other hand, I've both seen and been the object of personal attacks as a result of merely disagreeing with other posters on this forum. I have tried to get them to see that I disagreed with their content, ideas or actions, but they took it personally and responded with personal attacks. This betrays an immaturity on their part which is totally not conducive to rigorous intellectual discourse.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Viv: retract your comment and apologize or expect hell.

  That kind of comment seems beneath you. Why bother?
  

  I think you're proving the point of the OP.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  EdenOne: Do you personally condone that type of behavior?

  What exactly is "that" type of behavior?
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  EdenOne: Because if it is, then I will ask myself if I should continue to come here, for this is no better than the relentless bully witch-hunting that the JW Elders served me with until my JC.

  You could always try not responding.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Food for thought:

  ""When something is so pervasive it doesn't even occur to people to challenge it. We need to be willing to critically reflect on beliefs even if they are commonly believed." - Dr. Tesia Marshik

  Essay: The problems with beliefs (Jim Walker):

  
  

  US News & World Report: Are 10 Popular Beliefs True or False?

  Essay: Do We Care Whether Our Beliefs Are True?
  

  10 false facts most people think are true

  List of common misconceptions
  

  Daily Mail: 50 misconceptions that have become modern day 'facts'
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  Oldest Kingdom Song

  by Bereano in

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  2. friends

  which kingdom song (used today by jw) is the oldest one?

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  Oubliette

  Give us your money!
  
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Oubliette

  PFP: Attacking any aspect of a persons identity, including beliefs, is psychological abuse.

  If someone's beliefs are wrong, they need to be corrected.

  How that is done is another matter.
  
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  The Irony of JW's on Halloween

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  isn't it ironic - the one day of the year you can pretty much guarantee that most people are not only home but anticipating people people calling at their door ... and jehovah's witnesses don't go out that day.. heck, if the householder isn't receptive they even have the get-out option of claiming it was a joke and they dressed up as jehovah's witnesses for halloween!

  :d. of course we know the aim of the ministry for most is to avoid talking to people.

  that's why they do it during the day midweek or on sat morning or sun afternoon when people are most likely out..

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  I actually saw some JWs "out in service" today. I was kinda surprised.