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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Oubliette

  The rebel: the opposite of love is knowledge

  It would be more accurate to say: the opposite of love is apathy.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  The thing that is wrong is when people clearly do it to retaliate against someone they don't like rather than the point of a post.

  Agreed.
  

  If you have never done that then well done.

  I may have in the past in one of my less-than-finer moments. But I have not done it lately and certainly not on this thread.
  
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  With all due respect Simon, I disagree with you about the kittens sub-thread being off-topic. As Bohm opined, it was likely that if I posted something as completely innocuous and unobjectionable as a picture of a kitten some would "Dislike" that. It only took a few minutes for that to happen, proving my point that there are posters on this forum that refuse to engage on content but have no problem making outright personal attacks or taking the lazy, passive-aggressive route of clicking on the "Dislike" feature. I can't imagine this is in harmony with your intention for including this feature on your forum.
  

  Again, I submit that this proves my thesis in agreement with that particular aspect of the OP.

  Over the last few weeks I have seen others and have myself been the object of such personal attacks for a variety of reasons ranging from:

  1. disagreeing with an action that another well-respected forum member made and chose to share publicly, to
  2. asking a poster for clarification of an OP which I found confusing, to
     
  3. criticizing Lloyd Evans
     

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  In these three cases (and they could not have been more different) I and others tried to differentiate between discussing content and personal attacks. This distinction was appreciated by some, but completely lost on others. The ones it was lost on are the ones that make meaningful, even rigorous debate impossible on a forum such as this.
  
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Oubliette

  Maybe someone simply disliked your demand for explanations.

  Perhaps. Although my intention was a request not a demand, but I'll concede that might be how they perceived it. Either way, since that person chose to not respond I guess we'll never know.

  What you see as "temerity," I see as an example of passive-aggressive failure to engage on content which is what I believe this thread is really about and therefore very on topic.

  I see you've been busy editing out posts you don't like and/or approve. Can you please explain how that helps the discussion?
  
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  10 reasons why you should never have a religion

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this great article.

  it's rather long but a good read for anyone interested.

  the 10 bullet points are:-.

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  James: What is so ironic about Atheists? We are always talking about God. LOL

  It is ironic, but it is the root part of the word which many of us use to define our beliefs or lack thereof (if you prefer).
  
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  I would like to add to my previous comments and affirm the part of StarTrekAngel's post with which I concur: it is possible to disagree with someone's comments and/or beliefs without attacking them personally.

  It is also possible to read what others have to say without taking it personally.

  As CodedLogic posted earlier in this thread:

  1. Don't take it personally,
  2. Don't make it personal

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  Those are good rules to post by!
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  It is clear for me to see when someone makes multiple consecutive votes against posts by the same poster which are obviously not based on the content of the post but who made them. It's childish and won't be tolerated.

  Thank you. That is a policy/practice which I would approve.
  

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  In the meantime, quit yer bitchin' about it.

  If you're referring to my comments about the "Like/Dislike" feature, it would appear that you are missing the point I was trying to make. Allow me to attempt to clarify. I am neither complaining nor "bitchin'" about it. I am pointing out that it is a feature that is frequently misused by people that won't engage in meaningful dialogue. I believe this is extremely relevant to the point and content of the OP.

  Categorizing my observations as complaints or "bitchin'" is neither accurate nor productive.

  I asked for clarification from EdenOne. He obliged but someone else "Disliked" my request. I asked said anonymous person to explain. They have not.
  

  A few pages back I posted several links to lists of commonly held false beliefs that ranged from trivial to dangerously harmful. I think it's odd that no one seemed interesting commenting on those.

  This thread seems to have a lot of really good content, but a lot of it has been derailed by a few posters that seem to enjoy personally attacking each other no matter what the topic. That is unfortunate.
  
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Oubliette

  noticed that too, Oubliette, and thought it ridiculous. So, I gave that post and your latest post a like.

  Thanks, I appreciate the sentiment and the support, but more importantly: I appreciate that you took a minute to comment!

  I find it very revealing that some posters can "Dislike" a request for clarification, but they are unwilling to explain their reasons. Similarly, that two posters would "Dislike" my comment that someone (probably at least one of them the same "Disliker" as the first) "Disliked" my criticism of mindless "Dislikes" without engaging in any discussion on the content of my post is equally absurd.

  I suspect that this person(s) simply dislikes me and by extension anything I say without even considering the merit of my words, thereby again proving the validity of the general intent of the OP.
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  10 reasons why you should never have a religion

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this great article.

  it's rather long but a good read for anyone interested.

  the 10 bullet points are:-.

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  Oubliette

  Agreed. You might say articles like that are a form of positively reinforcing confirmation bias for ex-cult members like us!
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  Heroes

  by done4good in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in jw land having such was verboten.

  who are some of yours and why?.

  1. nikola tesla - greatest inventor ever, and the only one i know of who was a true scientist as well.. 2. elon musk - there is a reason he chose the great inventor's name for his masterpiece work...also has a serious pair.... 3. jim morrison - brilliant and mad poet.. 4. mike krzyzewski - the epitome of success.. 5. maya angelou - brilliant humanistic poet and writer.. 6. albert einstein - do i actually have to qualify this?.

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  Oubliette

  Great thread. Heroes, or role-models of any kind, are very threatening to authoritarian leaders because it challenges their narcissistic need for adoration.

  A lot of very worthy people have been mentioned so far. Rather than merely adding names I'd like to riff on Mille's comment by qualifying as heroic anyone that takes a stand against unrighteousness whether they do so in a loud and vocal manner or if they do so with quiet dignity.

  In fact, my preference is definitely for the latter variety. Too often individuals do something noteworthy but then start banging their own drum in attention getting behavior that to my mind detracts from the great good they do. In a very counter-productive way, they often, and (to paraphrase Ray Franz) with "depressing regularity," end up just like the leaders they condemn."