It is amazing the mental gymnastics a fully indoctrinated person will go through to maintain their delusion in an effort to avoid facing reality and see things as they really are.
Oubliette
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Special Pioneer Sister-in-Law and Husband just got their letter.
by cappytan inwell, my sister-in-law and her husband, special pioneers for only a couple of years, just got their letter.. her comment was along the lines of, "they're having to do this because they forgave all those kingdom hall loans a few years ago and the brothers aren't donating anymore.".
when my wife told me, i laughed so hard i farted.
;).
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Oubliette
EdenOne: And, again, notice that I'm not discussing religious belief systems in general, but an individual's belief.
I get that and appreciate the distinction you are attempting to make. But you are still using the word "respect" inappropriately.
Please correct me if I am wrong: as I recall English is not your native tongue. Is that right or not?
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Oubliette
EdenOne: Do you think other person's property is deserving of due regard?
No. But we should respect the property rights of others. We should also respect the boundaries of their property. (The first can be any property, whereas the second would relate to real property).
We should respect the law generally, but if there is a law that is bad or wrong then civil disobedience is always an option, just be willing to suffer the consequences.
In every instance I can think of respect is either directly related to a person or to rights they enjoy as such. There are many things for which the concept of respect are simply inappropriate.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Oubliette
EdenOne: Just because isn't included in the definition, it doesn't mean it's ruled out.
True.
EdenOne: It can be worded "due regard for the beliefs of others"
False. You don't get to change the meaning of words to fit your beliefs.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Oubliette
EdenOne: it can be argued that for evil people to do good things, it takes religion.
It could, but you would lose. There is simply too much evidence against that thesis.
But more importantly you are missing the central point which you yourself are trying to prove. That particular line of reasoning you proffered is just a red herring.
Focus.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Oubliette
EdenOne: My point [is] if the Christian-themed belief of that particular individual is worthy of respect or not.
I can easily respect the person and what they do without respecting their beliefs. Easily!
Two questions:
- Is it really in keeping with the meaning of the word "respect" to use it in connection with beliefs? (I've asked that question twice on this thread, even posting a dictionary definition of it). As far as I can tell, you nor anyone else has addressed that with the exception of Cofty, who expressed a similar sentiment as I.
- That being said, to which particular "Christian-themed belief of that particular individual" are you referring when you ask your question? Christianity is a collection of many different and often conflicting and internally incoherent beliefs. In point of fact, there is no way you could even come up with any definitive listing of what Christian beliefs are and are not.
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If you carefully and thoughtfully ponder these two points I think you'll see what those of us that disagree with you have been trying to get you to consider.
Also, you must separate what a person does from what they believe.
Oubliette.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Oubliette
EdenOne, you bring up an interesting, although false, dichotomy. The basic problem with your scenario is that it is very one-sided. You only tell the good, positive side of the story--the humanitarian believer--while ignoring the fact that there have also been many atrocities committed by religious zealots who acted according to their beliefs, often the very same set of beliefs as your good Samaritan.
In contrast, there have likewise been a great many good deeds done by nonbelievers, secular humanists (with or without that particular self-identification) that are simply altruistic by nature. That behavior can just as easily be explained through the lens of evolutionary biology.
This is why it is so essential to separate what a person does from what they believe. They are not--and I've attempted to make this point repeatedly on this thread--intrinsically linked.
In the words of Steven Weinberg, “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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How to handle invites to dinner after Sunday meeting?
by FadeToBlack ini have not been to a meeting for over a year.
yesterday, when my wife returned from the 1 day assembly, i got an invite for dinner next sunday.
i said i would think about it, to be honest, as nice as the people are, it would just be boring listening to their comments about everything jw.
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Oubliette
I may or may not accept. Sometimes I hang out with non-JW family members for similar reasons.
Are they good cooks? Will there be wine?
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Oubliette
Cofty: The most reliable way to get loads of positive responses to a post or thread is to say things such as...
And you, in turn, are also right!
I've noticed that commenting directly on the subject gets the least amount of responses.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Oubliette
Cofty: It would be really helpful if those who say other's beliefs should be "respected" would define in practical terms exactly what they mean by "respect".
This is why I posted a definition of respect on the previous page.
It does not seem to be an appropriate word to use for beliefs in general let alone any in particular.
I noticed that, at least so for, no one in the "Beliefs Must Be Respected" camp has responded to that post.