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  Best "Modern" Film Noir Movie

  by Farkel in

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  say after 1970 for reference, i cast my vote for the 1973 classic, "chinatown.".

  what say ye?.

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  Slavenomore

  on salton sea w val kilmer is up there. Although evryone that has been mentioned like chinatown, mullholland and momento def great films
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  The CO 'encourages' Julia to meet with THREE elders- the latest episode in the best-selling drama, The Fade of Julia Orwell.

  by Julia Orwell in

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  it was yesterday morning and hubby and i were having a huge sleep in.

  it was just after ten, and with me being a bit flu-ey i was quite capable of staying in bed longer.

  hubby was feeling it too, and we were pleasantly drifting in and out to the sounds of birds.. then suddenly, cloomp, cloomp, cloomp up the front stairs, then "rap-rap-rap" on the front screen door, that rapid-fire, strong knock of the practiced door-knocker.

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  I don't know if a CO by himself with the objective to speak with a sister, not knowing if hubby is at home is following procedure I wonder if it was just an encouragement call as he said why not bring Mrs. CO? This was not by the book other then attempting to disarm the orwells. However I allow the possibility of good intentions, it would be something I would done but to not draw the ire of the body I would have taken a MS. With me. The three elder bit was a good catch. And I believe a CO can participate in a JC after all he is an elder. It would be odd but perfectly theocrapic, I reserve the right to be totally wrong on that though. Mrs. Orwell you did great, you were not intimidated, thought clearly and were straight to the point without revealing any sticky point that they or he could latch onto. I think the most telling part of the convesation was the awkward moment! Anyhow you set yourself up with a great response ina any further inquiry by saying "ive expressed my concerns with the CO so talk to him"...fada complete. a great example to follow! Others can learn a lot from your experience thanks for sharing. slavenomore
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  Judicial committee questions

  by slimboyfat in

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  when the elders invite someone to a judicial committee does the person under scrutiny have the right to ask beforehand what evidence will be adduced against him and what witnesses will be called?

  in other words is there pre-trial disclosure within the watchtower's quasi legal process?

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  Correction

  As an elduh we were instructed to not say anything that...would reveal... our "hand" before the JC and during.

  Slave no more

  Blondie,

  It was always customary to write a report to include in the congos files, the "sin" was written down. Perhaps this practice has changed?
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  Judicial committee questions

  by slimboyfat in

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  when the elders invite someone to a judicial committee does the person under scrutiny have the right to ask beforehand what evidence will be adduced against him and what witnesses will be called?

  in other words is there pre-trial disclosure within the watchtower's quasi legal process?

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  As an elduh we were instructed to not say anything that old revel our "hand" before the JC and during. Because repentance needs to come from the heart and full disclosure would prove such, not holding anything back on behalf of the accused would indicate that. There was a scripture that was read almost all the time during the JC about covering of transgressions you wont succeed blah blah blah. This was read to indicate the seriousness of the meeting and to open the heart of the accused to reveal the transgression. I was never approached by anyone before the JC. However if I would see them, even right before the JC before the elduhs got together privately, I would on the say to them to read the insight book entry on repentance. I even brought an insight book to one young man right before he was to meet with us and said read it as quick as you can and try to display repentance.

  The elduhs meet privately before the accused is brought forth, it's then where the evidence is talked about and cautions are mentioned about not revealing too much too soon. In my JC one elduh, a real company man boldfaced lied in order to extract a confession. I knew it was a lieand I knew my ex wife had told him about it. I had checked up on her story and it was a lie. She had said she went to the store and asked to see the CCTV footage of a certain date which showed me buying something. The elduh then said he had checked the CCTV tape and saw me buying it. But before this I asked the manager of the store to see if that was possible naïf it had indeed happened. Under no circumstances he said. Only the police can see it.

  So as my example shows they can lie as part of theocratic warfare during a JC.

  Best to just ignore and not go, why give them this inquistional power over you.

  Slavenomore
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  AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

  by cedars in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

  http://www.jwactivists.org.

  facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

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  This thread...wow, like MMIV posted its like life of Brian

  [The People's Front of Judea are breaking into Caesar's palace. However, they become distracted by the Campaign for a Free Galilee, a rival organisation with the same plan, and a fight breaks out.]

  Brian: People, we should be struggling together.

  PFJ member: [in a headlock] We are.

  Brian: No, we should be rising up against the common enemy.

  All: The Judean People's Front?

  Brian: No, the Romans

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  AAWA AWA or the PFFL of JW, the group will rise or fall based on how it reaches it's stated purpose. Lets let them get to work. Slavenomore
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  Moses and his God directed mass genocide.

  by AMO in

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  was wondering what modern day christians take is on the slaughter of hundreds of thousands perhaps millons, on his god directed journey to the promised land.???.

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  MP, your are right, I meant to write shiva instead of the goddess Kali. I remember being in a dark and black Kali temple (kali has a thing for black and red) just after a sacrifice, blood and a goat head it was a little Erie. I dont think gandhi would of helped out in that. What I was alluding to was the hindu trinity, brahma, vishnu and SHIVA, and being a Brahmin priest, and if he worshiped in the brahmin way he Gandhi would have addressed his worship towards this trinity, along with other personal favorites.

  As far as behavior of zealots I dont think you have to go as far back to the 19th century. The hindu fundamentalists have quite a presence in modern day India. Plus the Kali worshippers if they did massacre the English and others, they were only doing it because their Goddess told them to. Just like Moses and Joshua and David were told to kill (cue rage against the machine...gotta to what they told ya....) In the name of their tribal god.

  Now we didn't hear the divine whisper that Moses heard, but convieniently it was written down for us for our instruction. And how was this example imitated? Judging by human history...kings, zealots and madmen did their utmost to copy their leader.

  Now look at the ones who tried to imitate Gandhi. He didn't use a tribal god to justify his actions he used love of life, freedom and principles of nonviolence. Of course he didn't have the benefit of grand promises like the resurrection in case he did want to start killing some pagan babies and old timers! It took 1930 years since Christ to get a Hindu to teach MLK jr., a Christian, how to deal his fellow man without resorting to violence.

  Gandhi sailed for days to get to london, the seat of power, to get them to quit India. Christ could have flown to Rome in his sandals and talked with Caeser. Did he? No. Results. 2000 years oppression of and by the Jews, muslims and Christians. Deaths countless. Gandhis results? 20-30 years if that and the British quit. Deathtoll?

  Im not knocking Big J he was after all just obeying orders from YHWH.

  So nonviolence or violence? Which is better for human beings? If you side with YHWH well it can get confusing! Wouldn't you agree?
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  How many ways....

  by Lady Lee in

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  ... can you name that the wts hurts people?.

  two big ones for me:.

  it pushes people to the edge and when they commit suicide they say: "well he wasn't really a jw anyways soit has nothing to do with us".. it pushes people so much to do more and more and more that they get depressed, and physically sick.

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  I think the elduh arrangement is an insidious hurt. Although there are decent men who are sincere, the simple fact is the fear they often feel by being judged by their fellow eldurs hampers them to speak frankly. Although talking about your problems and or weaknesses can be beneficial the arrangement does many negative things.

  1 it can often give a false impression of being helped mentally, emotionally and spiritually, given the fact that the elduhs are simply not trained to spot, identify and help complex human problems. And the solution they offer is often littlebetter than saying a few hail Mary's and our fathers.

  2 whereas talking therapy is often done in an attempted non judgmental way. The private meetings with the elduhs are often complicated with the feelings of judgement that happens much of time.

  3 honest self evaluation is often curtailed by not wanting to draw unwanted attention and discipline.
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  My latest university experience...

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  this isn't a jw experience, but for those of you that have been following my life, i thought i'd have a drink and share this strange event in my post-jw life.. for you wonderful newbies, you can catch up on highlights of my story in the few threads i've started here.

  i'm finishing the junior year of my engineering degree and the classes are hard as hell.

  i used to be among the smartest students in the room until i hit the 300 level university courses.

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  Billy,

  Great job, to get a nod like that as an undergrad is a real accomplishment! I wish for you success in the project/s. Iwould research what this professor has published in the past to get to knw his mindset a little more. Im new here so i don't know your story, nor do I know how to look up past threads, but I would like to know how long was your tour of duty?

  Slavenomore
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  Moses and his God directed mass genocide.

  by AMO in

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  was wondering what modern day christians take is on the slaughter of hundreds of thousands perhaps millons, on his god directed journey to the promised land.???.

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  If YHWH is more than just the tribal god of the Hebrews, As ra was for the egyptians and zeus for the Greeks and If what is referred to as "god" by monotheistic religionists is actually this YHWH then he has some explaining to do in how he led by example. When the religious nutcases (they also worshiped yhwh) came over from the low countries and England and met the "savages" that were the natives of this land they used this Moses story, and gods example as justification to committ a long history of genocide.

  Are we not to lead by example? Were not the kings of Israel expected to lead by example? If YHWH is all knowing wouldn't he know that his example would be the basis of much of human conduct in the future? Many blame free will for dark moments of humanhistory saying "you can't blame god for genocide it's just bad people misusing their free will.". But I ask would the israelis be punishing the Palestinians without this and other stories found in their book? In the same token would there be such a thing called Jihad if not for the emphasis placed on such stories in the koran. Could it be said that Moses and Joshua directed a jihad against the idol worshipping pagan cannanites? This story and those of a similar color have been used as justification by conquerors when they conquer.

  Or could it be that these are stories of a tribe fighting for survival and then when they win claim their god (insert gods name) was on their side and when they lose it was because they angered their god? stories and myths help people to understand otherwise difficult concepts and actions.

  Now examples are important I think we can all agree. So I turn to a man like Gandhi, using nonviolence to solve problems ...and he worshipped brahma and vishnu and kali. Well it can be said gandhis pagan idea, This nonviolence, is a modern thought for a modern age is not applicable to the slave dealing concubine raping, sword weilding genocidal Hebrew culture 3000 years ago and that's true enough. Gandhi walking in israel would have clearly stood out like Jesus of nazareth standing in a kingdom hall.

  But if YHWH is timeless and changes not then why did he allow himself to be depicted as an example of violence. People have to die for him and let's not forget the animals nor his son who had to die. Death blood and violence. Then in an amazing example of doublespeak that would make janet napolitano jealous...he inspires a guy to write...god is love. Even though his superlative example of love was sending his son to be executed. Now Jesus is practically an opposite example. And look what that led to...christians killing non christians and christians alike. Why? because the example that YHWH made for himself. I can almost hear Jesus now, " i have a hard enough job as it is, dad, why did you have to be such an intolerant, blood thirsty pyschopath...the sinners are just so confused."

  And confused they are, for 2000 years apologists and critics have been hashing it out but only one man figured it out (recently) how to resolve conflict without shedding blood and he was a Hindu! So much for your example YHWH.
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  BROTHERS & SISTERS - READ THE BROCHURE!

  by The Searcher in

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  jesus always used illustrations to help people reason on the import of what he was saying.

  here is an illustration followed by a reality;.

  imagine that your heart went out to all those poor people who suffered when fukushima blew up, so much so, that when an internationally renowned charity asked for donations to help those in need, you donated $5000 to the cause.

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  CCC,

  That little detail about compensating for the magazine discount is a detail that I think you left out of your story, but I think it's important. I remember an account in the bible about the Pharisees and the super righteous tithing off there amount for the dill and mint. And something about straining the gnat and swallowing the camel. Something about go back and read and find out what mercy is. Anyway, what a perfect example of the nickle and dime mindset of the WTB$. It makes me think of all those talks and articles about giving up the riches and focusing on the spiritual blessings. How about forgiving the debts of others?

  ADCMS,

  I think the proof of the scummy nature of the repairs was the insured properties were done first, and at least with my experience many of them did not need a tear off and reroof. On our last couple days we went to a house, really run down and no home insurance. It was stressed not to spend too much time. ther was so much to do...and these folks were still living in the house whereas most were vacant. If anyone was down there there would know what a mess it was, the areas we worked in we're very quiet often we were the only ones. We ended up replacing a door, which a member of the crew or perhaps us don't quite recall, paid foThey of course had no insurance...and they had little funds, basic national geographic style American poverty. My wife and I and others asked what we could do and they just asked for the door to be fixed. The point is...these folks were living in this mess and they were not priority, but the roofs on vacant homes...ie easy insurance billing and easy enough work with donated roofing...number one goal...so was it it people we helped...on looking back to that week now I think the jury would consider reasonable doubt.

  Balaam,

  Total fraud. No way it can be defined as other. Because what no one has mentioned yet is the fact that no claim should have bEen made. The WTB$ was doing its in house charity program easing the burden on government agency's and yes those insurance company's who mind you raised the premiums on all policies. If the materials, labor were donated then it's a wash. The homeowner in good conscience could say, we don't need the money for the roof or the mold abatement because it was done for us for free(which it was for all parties) but we need a check for abc etc. then the WTB$ would come out of this smelling like a rose. Instead of asking for the insurance money or part of it they should have said, brother...you know we fixed your house, so it could be seen as fraud if you billed the insurance company for this work, as it was done for you by your loving brothers, and we the mythical god of the Hebrews sees all so just be forewarned we don't want you to be missing at the after armeddegon party." But instead of being concerned about stumbling the little one or the weak they asked for there cut and now they come out smelling like dead presidents.

  An illustration to this point would be this: you have your car fixed by a friend after a fender bender for free, he was just doing the generous and kind thing. The insurance company settles for the damages they asses it would cost if brought to a shop. A shop that pays workmanship comp, pays rent and labor and all the overhead. The cost of an average fender bender is around 1500-3000. The check arrives in the mail and you cash the check an take the family on a cruise. Most of us would cash the check without a second thought and head to an e coli infested overt crowded ship that loses engine power and...I digress. No one would know the difference. But we are talking about the claimed GODs organization who does everything scriptural and morally right, right? And everyone involved down there had the opportunity to learn of this scam first hand if they asked or were listening, as I and others including ADCMS did. Did the society care about stumbling us? Did they set the proper example for us to imitate...you remember imitate those taking the lead? Then a simple question is: what would Jesus do? would he shake down the homeowner, inflate the numbers so as to shake down state farm?

  Slavenomore