I hope that they are also investigated for and get asked what actual charity work they do for the Australian or any other community for that matter.
GodZoo
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How big a deal is the royal commission..? It seems to be not much...
by _Morpheus inmy understanding (very limited and maybe flawed) is that this commission has no teeth.
if thats true why would the org care?
send a few lawyers, go through the motions but in the end.... its a dog parking on a porch.
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Question for those still attending...is anyone talking?
by ToesUp inwe haven't been to a meeting or jw event in several years.
we have been following the rc closely.
it is fascinating!
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lets get real folks.
jw's are less than point one % of the population.
so this investigation is of zero interest to 99.99% of the population--so it just isnt newsworthy.All due respect but I would say you are very wrong there stan livedeath
.. 99% of the population might not be interested in joining JW's.. but a very large number of the population would definitely be interested in seeing the org exposed for what it really is and to see it pulled apart at the seams by professionally trained, acute and objective legal minds.
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How big a deal is the royal commission..? It seems to be not much...
by _Morpheus inmy understanding (very limited and maybe flawed) is that this commission has no teeth.
if thats true why would the org care?
send a few lawyers, go through the motions but in the end.... its a dog parking on a porch.
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They can have pretty big teeth.. and for an organization like the borg who quite viciously guard their reputation and standing of being squeaky clean and the torch bearers of morality in this world this commision can wreck that facade.
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A Royal Commission is a major ad-hoc formal public inquiry into a defined issue in some monarchies. They have been held in the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Saudi Arabia. A Royal Commission is similar in function to a Commission of Enquiry (or Inquiry) found in other countries such as Ireland, South Africa, and Hong Kong.
A Royal Commissioner has considerable powers, generally greater even than those of a judge but restricted to the terms of reference of the Commission. The Commission is created by the Head of State (the Sovereign, or his/her representative in the form of a Governor-General or Governor) on the advice of the Government and formally appointed by Letters Patent. In practice—unlike lesser forms of inquiry—once a Commission has started the government cannot stop it. Consequently governments are usually very careful about framing the Terms of Reference and generally include in them a date by which the commission must finish.
Royal Commissions are called to look into matters of great importance and usually controversy. These can be matters such as government structure, the treatment of minorities, events of considerable public concern or economic questions.
Many Royal Commissions last many years and, often, a different government is left to respond to the findings. In Australia—and particularly New South Wales—Royal Commissions have been investigations into police and government corruption and organised crime using the very broad coercive powers of the Royal Commissioner to defeat the protective systems that powerful, but corrupt, public officials had used to shield themselves from conventional investigation.
Royal Commissions are usually chaired by one or more notable figures. Because of their quasi-judicial powers the Commissioners are often retired or serving judges.
Royal Commissions usually involve research into an issue, consultations with experts both within and outside of government and public consultations as well. The Warrant may grant immense investigatory powers, including summoning witnesses under oath, offering of indemnities, seizing of documents and other evidence (sometimes including those normally protected, such as classified information), holding hearings in camera if necessary and—in a few cases—compelling all government officials to aid in the execution of the Commission.
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How are Pro-JW sites handling the RC situation ???
by RubaDub insorry as this topic may have been covered many times but any thoughts or links to other topics on how the pro-jw websites are commenting on this.. rub a dub.
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Not even a peep about Australia ..
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Speak up man!!
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Dr Monica Applewhite speaks with forked tongue..
by GodZoo inpublic statement by dr monica applewhite on improvements in the catholic church in handling child abuse cases.
(paralleled witness policy highlighted in brackets in red).
source: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/change_in_vatican_culture/.
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Public Statement by Dr Monica Applewhite on improvements in the Catholic Church in handling child abuse cases. (paralleled Witness policy highlighted in brackets in red)
Source: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/change_in_vatican_culture/
Reporter:
Is there much of a difference between what happens when a priest is accused today and what happened prior to 2002 (when the charter and norms were adopted)?
Dr Monica Applewhite:
In most situations, no. The reforms of the Church began long before 2002. As laws changed, as understanding of sexual abuse and sexual offenders developed, so did the procedures of the Church in most local dioceses and communities.
It was 1992 when the bishops first began following the “Five Principles,” which included pastoral outreach to victims, investigations and open communication with communities.
Published in 1992, the bishops’ five principles were:
1) respond promptly to all allegations of abuse, (Accused is often called a liar, made to feel it was their fault, are subjected to horrific interrogation involving the most intimate sexual details in a small room with three old men and the accused while not being allowed any moral support)
2) relieve the alleged offender promptly of his ministerial duties and refer him for appropriate medical evaluation and intervention, (Accused is allowed to remain in position of authority simply by denying any accusation. Even after a clear confession or having been found guilty accused can apply for reinstatement and privileges. ie; be re-appointed as an elder or ministerial servant and gets to play with kids again)
3) comply with the obligations of civil law as regards reporting of the incident, (No reporting to police or authorities, victims coerced or actively discouraged from doing so)
4) reach out to the victims and their families, and (No reaching out to families or community whatsoever, no support, no professional counseling etc)
5) deal as openly as possible with the members of the community. (Total secrecy, all notes and records destroyed, keep complete silence or you will be disfellowshipped, community is never notified that a peopdophile has been ejected into or is operating and living in their midst)
Reporter:
In dealing with this issue, you’ve really seen the dark side of humanity and individuals within the Church. You’re still Catholic, aren’t you? How has it impacted your faith?
Dr Monica Applewhite:This is a question I actually get fairly often. Even though much of my adult life has been spent dealing with sexual abuse in the Church and other organizations, I’m still Catholic.
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Strange that she feels no need to hold the Watchtower to the same standards as she does the Catholic Church.
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse
by snare&racket ini am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.
also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!
never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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GodZoo
I seriously doubt she will be working for the WTS again.
She might not be working much longer for her practice either whose motto on their website is:
'METICULOUS ATTENTION TO DETAIL IS OUR STANDARD' (never seen such a sloppy performance in my life)
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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GodZoo
As a high level legal professional she is meant to be trained and is also paid to not fall apart but be cool and composed under any kind of pressure. Her behaviour and demeanor is more like that of a guilty defendant.
She is crumbling before us because it is gradually dawning on her that she is attempting to defend the indefensible
