Posts by GrreatTeacher

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How do you categorise the Society - Cult or High control religion

by UnshackleTheChains in

i have often seen many categorise the organisation in different ways.

some say cult, some say high control religion.

cult or high control religion?.

GrreatTeacher

Unfortunately, if you want to find real psychological and sociological scientific literature, you won't find it by searching for "cults."

They're designated New Religious Movements, partially because Scientology was offended that they were referred to as a cult, and they took over CAN; the Cult-Awareness Network.

This is a great story to research and get lost going down internet rabbit holes, which I've done before. But, it's been awhile and I've forgotten a lot, so, do research it yourselves. It's a very interesting story!

130

Not a sympathizer

by Richard Oliver in

i think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.

i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.

i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.

GrreatTeacher

It's good to be able to identify facts vs. untruths.

An entirely different skill is being able to lay out an argument and prove your case.

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...It Belongs to the Society

by Lostandfound in

way back in the 70s around the time when the elders arrangement was new i recall a particular co who tried to replace all the circuit arrangement with young pioneers, in fact he tried to infest all of circuit with youth.

my father in law was removed by this person from his circuit position and that added to the complete disdain even contempt my fil had for him.

my fil was one of a small group that had formed congregation , built the kh with their own funds and where very loyal to the organisation, never commenting or expressing dissent in any form.

GrreatTeacher

It's like the original post is, "My shoes are size 8."

And your response is, "Why can't I wear my shoes to jump in puddles?!"

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...It Belongs to the Society

by Lostandfound in

way back in the 70s around the time when the elders arrangement was new i recall a particular co who tried to replace all the circuit arrangement with young pioneers, in fact he tried to infest all of circuit with youth.

my father in law was removed by this person from his circuit position and that added to the complete disdain even contempt my fil had for him.

my fil was one of a small group that had formed congregation , built the kh with their own funds and where very loyal to the organisation, never commenting or expressing dissent in any form.

GrreatTeacher

Sweetheart, some facts are relevant to the subject, and others are not.

Why do you keep playing with the latter?

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...It Belongs to the Society

by Lostandfound in

way back in the 70s around the time when the elders arrangement was new i recall a particular co who tried to replace all the circuit arrangement with young pioneers, in fact he tried to infest all of circuit with youth.

my father in law was removed by this person from his circuit position and that added to the complete disdain even contempt my fil had for him.

my fil was one of a small group that had formed congregation , built the kh with their own funds and where very loyal to the organisation, never commenting or expressing dissent in any form.

GrreatTeacher

"Feed the trolls!

Tuppence a bag!"

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...It Belongs to the Society

by Lostandfound in

way back in the 70s around the time when the elders arrangement was new i recall a particular co who tried to replace all the circuit arrangement with young pioneers, in fact he tried to infest all of circuit with youth.

my father in law was removed by this person from his circuit position and that added to the complete disdain even contempt my fil had for him.

my fil was one of a small group that had formed congregation , built the kh with their own funds and where very loyal to the organisation, never commenting or expressing dissent in any form.

GrreatTeacher

Sigh. Spock out.

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...It Belongs to the Society

by Lostandfound in

way back in the 70s around the time when the elders arrangement was new i recall a particular co who tried to replace all the circuit arrangement with young pioneers, in fact he tried to infest all of circuit with youth.

my father in law was removed by this person from his circuit position and that added to the complete disdain even contempt my fil had for him.

my fil was one of a small group that had formed congregation , built the kh with their own funds and where very loyal to the organisation, never commenting or expressing dissent in any form.

GrreatTeacher

Jeez, Dick, are you being willfully stupid or what?

It's been explained to you, and you keep coming up with multiple examples that you think are exceptions, but they're not. They all can be covered under the explanation given.

"No kingdom hall should ever be sold." - Richard Oliver -- this was alleged by no one here ever.

You are trying to put words in people's mouths, but nobody's dumb enough here to open their mouths and let you shovel it in.

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There is a NEW Songbook?!

by My Name is of No Consequence in

i am not talking about the one that the org came out with in 2010. i am talking about a new one that just came out.

it is completely different or is it just the 135 songs from the 2010 songbook plus the 16 that they have rolled out since then?

my head is spinning!.

GrreatTeacher

With old favorites like:

"The Zippy Little Cart"

"Time-Counting Blues"

"My Study Dropped Me the Bomb"

"Wanna Go Out in Service in my Little Red Corvette?"

"Just Beat It; Get Off My Doorstep"

and others, all in an imitation leatherette cover the color of New York sidewalks!

And, for 30 more pieces of silver, order our 3 ring binder cover to which you may add all the new songs, and easily purge songs that come to contain old light!

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A jw thought trap

by purrpurr in

i've been watching louis therouxs documentary about scientology.

one of the thought traps they createn in people is that they make them belive that all good things come from following the doctrines correctly and all bad things come from not doing so.

and in this way it becomes a thought trap where the person is self regulated mentally by trying ever harder to be more indoctrinated.

GrreatTeacher

I love the descriptor "thought trap."

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I asked my son to stop playing football.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

i asked my son to stop playing football.

it was a simple kick about he was playing with a friend using the garage door as the goal.

i then went to my home and thought no more about it.

GrreatTeacher

Yes, always explain. It builds up their knowledge about life.

Even during a crucial safety moment l>ke fire drills at school, I'll correct them, for example for talking, and then quickly explain why:

"Stop talking! You can't hear teacher directions in case they might change during an emergency!"

This works so much better than, "Stop talking or you'll all lose your recess."

I mean it literally works better, as in more students getting quiet when you give a legitimate reason than when you threaten punishment. You have many fewer kids losing recess time that way.