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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

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  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  I didnt see your last post before I posted, but I'll address it tomorrow. Goodnight.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Darn you, EOM, I was going to go to bed, but you posted again. Just kidding!

  Yes, the study was published in 2005 and it did go back to 1980. That is a weakness. I literally have no more time to study tonight because it is getting late, but newer studies woukd be great to find. I did think it was interesting that it said that we seem to be moving away from some of the more overt racism of the past to more statistical discrepancies now.

  It seems that a lot of this is unintentional as well. It's just embedded in our social fabric as an artifact of the ugly past. It has gotten better and I hope it continues to do so. Though I haven't read him in awhile, take a read of Malcolm Gladwell. One of his books described a test of some kind (it's been awhile) that determines if you have unconscious racial bias. He failed the test and discovered he was biased against black people and he is half black himself! Interesting stuff. I'll see if I can find the book reference...tomorrow!

  Take care.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  I liked the Washington Post article. Statistics can really bog you down, so I liked that they straight out stated that blacks are 31% more likely to be pulled over by police than whites. By the way, if you haven't taken one, I think you would really like a college class on statistics. They say, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." So true! When Eisenhower heard that 50% of American students were below average, he "had a cow." But, that's how averages are derived and what they mean!

  Anyhow, did you know that black parents explicitly teach their children to not wear coats while shopping? Because a coat is an excuse to think someone might be hiding something/shoplifting. Black folks have been eyed up/followed around/detained so often that they have to explicitly teach their children, especially boys how to look innocent. Wouldn't it just be more productive if Loss Prevention focused on universal signs of a crime being committed rather than use a racial shortcut?

  Also, why wouldn't being unable to afford a lawyer be a racial reason since we know that blacks in aggregate have lower socioeconomic status? And, I would love if you could find data on private versus public defenders, though we would have to make sure that other variables were controlled for.

  Would you mind telling me about your educational experiences? You have a sharp mind. I grew up JW and was discouraged from going to college. I finally got my degree at age 37 having worked through my Associates Degree part time and then, slowly, worked through my Bachelors. It was outrageously expensive in both money and the years it took which caused a lot of lost earning years, but it was incredibly liberating. If you haven't gone, go, go, go! It's worth it in personal enlightenment no matter how old you are.

  BTW, I'm underemployed and I really just think that growing up as a JW is a culture where you don't learn how to advocate for yourself and get ahead at work, I dunno. Well, I feel like I didn't learn that.

  Talk to you soon.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  The US Department of Labor has a great page about the African American labor force. Some findings:

  -Black men earn only 76.3% of white men's salary.

  -Before the recession, the black unemployment rate was 7.9% while the white unemployment rate was 4.2%.

  -By January 2009, the black unemployment rate was 12.7% compared to a white rate of 7.1%.

  Findings indicate that blacks fare worse, overall, in the US labor market. Check out the following link:

  http://dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  There is a hyperlink!

  If someone did that, thank you. Or, is there a Droid god?

  And the link works. Just click on the PDF link on the left side of the page to get to the study.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  I lost an entire post. AARGH! Anyhow, I haven't figured out how to create a hyperlink on a Droid, but if you copy and paste this into your browser, you will find a site with a link on the left to a PDF you can download called Racial Disparity in Sentencing; A Review of the Literature. January 2005.

  http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/reports/racial-disparity-sentencing

  A review of literature is a great reference because it aggregates results of multiple other academic studies, in this case 40. The conclusion is that blacks are punished more harshly than whites. It's only about 19 pages and I recommend reading the entire thing. Some statistics mined from some of the various studies reviewed:

  -white men aged 18-29 were 38% less likely to be sentenced to prison than black men of the same age group

  -in the same group, white men were sentenced to an average prison term almost 3 months shorter than black men of the same group

  -in another study, blacks charged with drug offenses were 3.6 times more likely than whites to be considered "habitual offenders" in sentencing

  -another: whites providing substantial assistance to the prosecution received an average of 23% reduction in the likelihood of prosecution while blacks received a 13% reduction

  -a study in Georgia: The % of difference in probability that blacks would be incarcerated for the following drug offenses:

  -25% for drug trafficking

  -19% for distribution

  -12% for drug use

  Please read the entire paper. It's not too long and it gives lots of statistics and summarizes the findings.

  If there's any more confusion about the concept of "after controlling for all other variables" let me know.

  Have a good evening. It's 8:30 on the East Coast, so I'll be hitting the hay soon!
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  First of all, thanks for the correction on the percentage of blacks and minorities in America. Yes, it appears that blacks make up 13% of the population. I believe that my 20% figure was stuck in my mind because it is about the percentage of all minorities. But, it is important to be precise, so thanks.

  Secondly, your understanding of my position is not correct. I am not saying that "everything statistically that would affect education, crime, etc. are the same but blacks are punished more and discriminated against." Those things might very well be different for different racial groups, but whether or not there is proof that they are causal for criminality, especially since i am arguing about punishment not criminality, is irrelevant to my argument. I AM saying that, all other things being equal (meaning controlling for all of those possibilities you mentioned so one is comparing apples to apples) is that blacks are punished more harshly for the same crimes.

  This brings me to another point, which is that arrest rates are not really relevant. When I speak of being punished I am talking about the kind of punishment given and the length of the sentences. So, though I do like your FBI reference, it's not really relevant to my argument.

  Forgive me while I go eat dinner. If I insult the chef, he might not cook again. :) I'll be back.
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  California University System "Unrecognizes" Evangelical group

  by designs in

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  intervarsity christian fellowship had their status changed because their beliefs do not allow for the diversity required of groups with campus privileges.

  access to community halls, dorms.. this will affect 23 campuses.

  in response intervarsity is claiming reverse discrimination and restricting freedom of speech.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Free speech is not at risk in this situation. You can say whatever you like, but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences.

  I could hypothetically say that everyone on this forum sucks. (I would never do that!) But, the consequences would likely be that I wouldn't have many friends on here.
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  i was happy before i woke up

  by losingit in

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  idk if waking up has been good for me.

  i still have almost no friends.

  im still waiting to graduate this december to qualify n b certified for my job.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Human tendency is to prefer the evil we know to the evil we don't know.

  Congratulations on leaving the old evil behind, because there was no chance of things changing for the better, and then grabbing the unknown, which is difficult right now but has every possibility of becoming a much happier life.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Eom, I'm sorry to drop the conversation last night, but I went to bed. I haven't figured out the quote function, but I will answer the 3 parts of your response one at a time.

  Part 1: There is no evidence for the first scenario, but lots of evidence for the second, namely, that blacks who go through school and are equally qualified suffer more unemployment.

  Part 2: Pistoff has provided a great academic paper on the subject and I noticed that all of the references are hyperlinked. Happy studying.

  Part 3: I'm not sure I understand your response. My post was about punishment and your response was about crimes committed. I will restate it, though. If blacks compose less than 20% of the population, then there should be a similar ratio in prisons, but there's not. Blacks and whites commit crimes at about the same rate, but blacks are punished more harshly.

  The phrase "all other things being equal" means that after controlling for other factors there is still a discrepancy. A well designed study can rule these things out and then come to conclusions based on only relevant data.

  Any academic study uses statistics to prove its thesis, so, sparrowdown, it's about statistics as well as stereotyping.