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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  So any reference to an eternal god would be a moot point in this discussion of of causes of beginnings.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  So, now there are things that have no beginning?

  Please give me a list of these incredible outliers.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Well, then it seems you've ended this thread as you've started it: entirely sure of yourself.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Perry, we all know you believe God is the supernatural cause that was the beginning of the space-time Universe.

  You doth protest too much with your pseudo-scientific reductive reasoning.

  The pieces of your argument don't fit, we have provided alternate points of view which are not acceptable to you, and so there is no sense in my continuing.
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  Update on my recently disfellowshipped niece

  by keyser soze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had posted about a month ago that my niece, who just turned 15, was getting disfellowshipped.

  i learned this past weekend that she tried to commit suicide.

  between being df'd, and her dad not being around, it became too much for her.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Keyser, I am so excited that you are providing support for her and that she is feeling better. I'm glad she is getting good treatment.

  Could you subtly point out to your sister that further involvement in the organization wluld likely be bad fof her mental health?

  Some JWs seem to believe that suicide attempts after disfellowshipping are because of shame at having done something so bad that they needed to be disfellowshipped instead of the horrible practice of disfellowshipping itself.
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  Update on my recently disfellowshipped niece

  by keyser soze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had posted about a month ago that my niece, who just turned 15, was getting disfellowshipped.

  i learned this past weekend that she tried to commit suicide.

  between being df'd, and her dad not being around, it became too much for her.

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  GrreatTeacher

  I think she was disfellowshipped first and then became suicidal due to the disfellowshipping.

  I wonder what the branch thinks of that scenario.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  GrreatTeacher

  Supernatural cause and effect is not believed in globally, and that is what you are arguing.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  This beginning without a cause being a problem thing is silly.

  Beginnings are simply Endings of something else.

  This is not a new concept and is part and parcel of hindu thought in which there is a trinity of gods, including Brahma the creator and Shiva the destroyer (as well as Vishnu the preserver).

  This Trinity expresses the idea that beginnings are simply the new expression of endings. They are part and parcel of each other.

  Needing a Causer is very Western thought.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Every Friday begins without a cause, and all rejoice.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  I think I know why this is so important to you: you have started at the end - I believe in god - and are now going backwards looking for data that supports your conclusion (that you somehow, in contravention of logic and reason, have started with.)