i was an elder in the 1970's and i was not a big fan of the "stay alive until 75" dogma.
i was looked down upon by the heavy hitters on the body of elders and in time i changed my mind.
i knew of the failed prophecy of 1914 being the end of all times which was repeated for the year 1925...yet i came to believe well maybe this time they've got it right.. with every new watchtower, i combed over every word to find support for my change in my belief that the end was coming in fall of 1975. at the district assembly in 1975, everyone clung onto every word in the final talk.
Wait, Fred Franz actually stated that Adam might have been "eventually tempted into beasteality"? For real? That loon was really a sexual deviant, wasn't he?
I would have asked ol' Freddy, how Adam could have been tempted into such a sinful act, when he was in fact PERFECT and without sin? Fred really was a complete LOON! Why anyone would take his rantings seriously is beyond me. Types and anti-types........what contrived bullsheet! Ugh.
im asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now.
im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice..
born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters.
Don't tell your family ANYTHING about your GF, new life, etc. Only smile and look happy if you happen to see them. If they happen to break the silence and ask how you are, tell them you feel like a million dollars and are happier every day. They hate that. They WANT you to feel like this.....like a discarded piece of human trash. That way, you'll come crawling back and begging to be let back in. F' that! You are what, 31? I'd for d*mn sure be heading back to college and med school if I were you. Plenty of time to become a Dr. That will also get you out of this funk and get you around more intelligent, like-minded people and you'll become more social. Think about it! You have a new lease on life, might as well get on it!!!
i am approaching 76 years old.
i can clearly recall that awake!
statement and similar during the pre-1975 hype -- "staying alive in '75", et al.
My grandmother was born in 1918, after the first great World War, and right after her one brother died young from the Spanish influenza epidemic. Being in Pennsylvania, she was exposed to WT literature all growing up, as her family would sometimes accept magazines at the doors, etc. Finally, she became a JW in 1983 along with my father and mother. I was born in 1979. All I heard growing up from the podium to the assemblies, was how the New Order / New System was just around the corner, how none of us would die, and how I'd never grow old or have to worry about the standard "Worldly" problems. My grandmother died in 2003, at age 85. Both of my parents died as well. None of them were supposed to get old and die according to Rutherford. I shouldn't have even been born anywhere except the New System. Here I am. My family are all DEAD. Doesn't that make the WT a false prophet? I'd say so. I broke the pattern. My son is 12. He's never seen or heard of a Kingdom Hall. JW's? A nutty cult I was raised in, to be avoided unless he wants to end up a mess like me.
i've heard the new take on shunning inactive ones.
i've seen the videos from the assemblies, but a few have mentioned that it was in a broadcast.
does anyone know which broadcast it was, or a link to that section...i really don't want to have to watch the whole thing!.
I have seen a talk from a convention this summer, as an intro to the one video.......the speaker is ABSOLUTELY talking about shunning inactive ones. It is very pointedly talked about. It's on youtube, but I'd have to find it. We all know talks come from WT HQ Outlines, so this IS true and already being seen and felt.
i salute you.. when i was in, i was a brainwashed idiot.
it instilled an arrogance and made me part of a community that contributed to your suffering.. i remember when i would see a jw parent drag their teens to the meeting.
some of these parents had converted recently, some had been some years.
I feel ya. I'm 37. I was never baptized, but myself and so many of my JW peers are looooong gone. I'd say 95% of the kids my age left, DA'd, DF'd, or moved and faded, never to be heard from again. All of the old timers (including my parents) have passed away. What is left of this religion? Not much, not much at all. I'm old enough to remember all of the scare mongering of the 1980's Generation/1914 nonsense, which eventually built up into "this System won't last past the year 2000." The year 2000 was 16, almost 17 years ago. Crazy! I have a son who is now 12. He has NEVER set foot into a Kingdom Hall - EVER - and probably (hopefully) never will. What for? A lifetime of servitude, poverty, ignorance, & misery? "Best life ever!" - my azz!
The internet has become a total game-changer for people in cults. The "truth" is only a mouse click away!
so my wife and i have been in the process of fading for a few months now as per my original post here.
about a week ago, i was browsing some ex-jw facebook groups when i saw a post that linked to the crisis of conscience book.
i said "f@(k it" and hit share on it.. a few hours later, i get a long text letter from my mom (who was a fb friend of mine) telling me the typical "good luck finding friends in the world" and how we have "nothing in common anymore"; basically, it was a 'farewell' text.
i’m a pioneer in city of brotherly love.
(yeah i said my city.
don’t give a fuck) most pioneers who need extra money, get a part gig working as a security guard, barista, or making sandwiches for a few bucks an hour.
I see a Convention part in your future............PORN convention that is!
my new girlfriend asked me over dinner last night what jw's believe.
as i sat there explaining it i realized how ridiculous it sounds and was slightly embarrassed that i used to believe this crap for 31 years.. try and read this and imagine hearing it for the first time.... me: well... jw believe that god's name is jehovah and that his son is jesus christ.
they believe that jesus died on a stake and not a cross and that in the year 1914 he personally chosen the jw's as his one true religion.
Tights pants and Spandex were created by homosexuals for the sole purposed of exposing everyone's genitals in public so that Homo's could get off secretly. No joke! TOMO III said it, so it MUST be true! (he said it with a sly grin, and ranted about it, so what does that tell you about TOMO III?)
the new broadcast is - predictably - about being loyal to the gb.it's a shut up and sit down message.. one of the funny things they keep bringing up is the correlation between the gb and moses.those who don't listen to the gb are like korah.. this is a false choice, why?let's look at a quick comparison.
(this is from the point of view of the bible).
was moses directly picked by god?- yeswas the gb directly picked by god?- well no, we actually are not told how the gb are picked and why the qualify.. did god talk to moses?- yesdoes god talk to the gb- no, they admit they are not in direct communication.. did god inspire moses to write laws and judge.- yesdoes god inspire the gb to write laws and judge.- no, they admit they are not inspired, and they are always wrong and need to change things all the time.. did god give the israelites undisputable proof that moses is his channel?- yes, many miracles visible to everyone one around happenddoes god give jws undisputable proof that the gb are his channel?- no, there is no proof, actually contrary.. was moses ever wrong?- nohas the gb ever been wrong?- every time.
Mandatory Tithing? Never say never! Imagine if you will, going back in time 30 years to 1986 and telling your former JW self that in 30 years not only would the New System NOT yet be here, but that the Book Study in homes would be deleted, Field Service would consist of standing by carts, cartoons would used to "teach" children, videos would be shown at conventions, and ATM's would be located to donate quickly. Oh! And that you'd be all lovey-dovey with the GB Members, as they parade around televangelist style!!
Now ask yourself, what would your 30-years younger self had said to all of THAT? So "mandatory tithing", doesn't sound so far-fetched now, does it?
cult speak if i ever heard and saw it.. unbelievable cult...it seriously gets worse.
like when he interviews a couple with 60 years service, the wife (who looks like hillary clinton) says how she had to leave missionary work because she was diagnosed with a serious illness while on vacation in the usa.
then she says her husband had to get a job so he could pay her medical bills and i'm thinking where is jehovah's organization in all this.
I've been saying it and saying it for a very long time:
The money, help, and "love", only flow one way in JW-Land, from the average rank-n-file member to the top. Nothing is EVER reciprocated. The "Sheep" take care of the "Shepherd" in this pseudo-religious cult.
So that Missionary with 60 years service, was left out in the cold to fend for herself, with absolutely nothing to show from the Org she served her entire life except, "....go forth, be warm, and well fed" ? And that poor husband, left to do it all on his own, with probably zero real life work skills, etc. Such is the "warm Christian Love", that oozes from this self-centered, self-serving, money-grubbing empire. "Charity" is not in the JW.borg's vocabulary. Neither is care, sympathy, or empathy.
As always, "the beatings will continue, until morale improves."
