Kenneson,
Your confusion reminds me of this cartoon.
herk
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92Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?
by hooberus inin bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.
" john 19:7. .
ron rhodes commments:.
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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?
by hooberus inin bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.
" john 19:7. .
ron rhodes commments:.
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frankiespeakin,
Is getting the answer to this question ... right?
Jesus warned about false teachers, and the apostle Paul warned about teachers who preach another Christ than the one he taught. We are told to examine all things and hold to what is right. We are also told to defend the truth. There are many reasons why the question needs to be discussed.
If a person has no interest in the topic or is disturbed by it, he or she is free to go elsewhere, of course.
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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?
by hooberus inin bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.
" john 19:7. .
ron rhodes commments:.
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Kenneson,
But I do not have an understanding that there are three Gods.
To use language like yours, "In one breath you say that ... the Father is Almighty God, the Son is Almighty God, and the Holy Spirit is Almighty God, ... and yet in the other breath you are always pointing out how they are not three Gods, but only one."
herk
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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?
by hooberus inin bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.
" john 19:7. .
ron rhodes commments:.
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Kenneson,
How do I misunderstand you?
I wonder what it will take to help you understand what I wrote above:
It was a lie for you to suggest that non-trinitarians view Jesus as no greater than other humans whom the Bible labels as God due to their honorable position to which they were appointed by God himself.
In your mind, God can mean only one thing, namely, Almighty God. But your view is the view of the modern Western mind, not the view of the people in Bible times. That is your mistake. You just don't seem able to understand that there can be only one Almighty God. You want to have three of them--(1) Almighty God the Father, (2) Almighty God the Son, and (3) Almighty God the Holy Spirit--something that is far removed from what the Bible teaches. You want to change "One" to mean "Three," and you have no basis in the Bible for doing so. As long as you try to alter the truth to fit your concept of God, you cannot really know the God of the Bible.
herk
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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?
by hooberus inin bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.
" john 19:7. .
ron rhodes commments:.
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Kenneson,
If Adam and Eve could not be like God, why could Moses in Ex. 4:16?
It seems to me that you have this insatiable desire to find fault with the Bible. If the Bible is wrong for saying Moses and David were to be viewed by others as God, why do you bother to read it? If the Bible is wrong for not saying that Adam and Eve were to be viewed as God, why do you waste your time trying to prove that the Trinity is in the Bible? If the Bible is so wrong in your opinion, why do you spend time in this forum on Bible topics? herk
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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?
by hooberus inin bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.
" john 19:7. .
ron rhodes commments:.
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Kenneson,
Please clarify how my attempt could be construed as evil and yours is not.
A lie is a lie, whether it is clear-cut or a mere hint. Lies are evil and not good. It was a lie for you to suggest that non-trinitarians view Jesus as no greater than other humans whom the Bible labels as God due to their honorable position to which they were appointed by God himself.
If Moses and David and others can be Gods, why do you exclude Adam and Eve?
Surely you know the answer. Adam and Eve are not called God anywhere in the Bible, but Moses and David are. So what is your point?
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All About The Trinity
by UnDisfellowshipped inwhen jesus was about to die, he showed who his superior was by praying: "father, if you wish, remove this cup from me.
the one god is eternal (has always existed and always will), immortal (his divine nature cannot die), omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (he is everywhere at the same time), god is the only one who can read human hearts and minds, god cannot sin and cannot lie, god does not change his morals or his nature.
the trinity is not one person revealed three different ways (this is what "oneness pentecostals" believe).
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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?
by hooberus inin bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.
" john 19:7. .
ron rhodes commments:.
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Richie,
But let us never become so arrogant that we think we - finite beings of the dust - can fully comprehend the God who made us, and who reveals himself to us.
Were believing Jews arrogant? Was Jesus arrogant?
Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews." (John 4:21, 22)
And let it be known that neither the Jews nor Jesus believed in the pagan Trinity doctrine.
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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?
by hooberus inin bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.
" john 19:7. .
ron rhodes commments:.
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Kenneson,
Whether you consider me evil or not is not important. Jesus is still God as is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Only God and you know whether you are evil. Your twisting of what I wrote as if I consider you to be evil is further evidence that you have this habit of reading into things what is not there. This helps me better to understand why you have eagerly swallowed the Trinity doctrine hook, line and sinker.
herk
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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?
by hooberus inin bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.
" john 19:7. .
ron rhodes commments:.
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