Posts by Roddy

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Submitting a DA letter and walking away?

by Jourles in

i have been perusing through the many boe documents i have recently received and noticed something interesting.

regarding ones who disassociate themselves, there have been many discussions on this board where people tell others not write a letter as you are giving away any legal footing you may have against the society.

well, it appears that there are two routes you can take without officially getting da'd, according to the society's own documents.

Roddy

>>In summary, I think as J-duds we were trained to roll over and take it. J-duds give in too easily, they rat themselves out at the drop of a hat. Just because they say it, don't make it so! Make them work for it, and if I've learned one thing in my time as a Dud, NEVER TELL THEM ANYTHING THEY CAN HURT YOU WITH! <<

True words. They love to come with "Trust in Jehovah" and "Leave the matter with Jehovah" when they really mean "Leave the matter to us and go away quietly."

I've also learned another thing the hard way which you meantioned: NEVER EVER volunteer information. Never be totally honest with the elders. And always have something nice to say about yourself, others, and the weather. Being unsinkably upbeat annoys them to no end. And they can't get to you with one of their tactics to guilt trip you and make you a sinner where you NEED their help and the help of the the Faithful and Discreet Slave and all their wonderful spiritual provisions. Sheesh - I can still talk like them! ARRRGH

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Submitting a DA letter and walking away?

by Jourles in

i have been perusing through the many boe documents i have recently received and noticed something interesting.

regarding ones who disassociate themselves, there have been many discussions on this board where people tell others not write a letter as you are giving away any legal footing you may have against the society.

well, it appears that there are two routes you can take without officially getting da'd, according to the society's own documents.

Roddy

>>Statement of Baptism Nullification <<

This is good. Nice and legal sounding, covers your assets, and tells it likes it is.

Were you ever an insider in the WTS Legal Dept? Bravo at sticking it to them with their own methods! But serioiusly, God bless you! This could be the loophole for those that want to leave The Org peacefully while still holding-on to and maintaining their dear relationships of family and friends still stuck in there.

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Submitting a DA letter and walking away?

by Jourles in

i have been perusing through the many boe documents i have recently received and noticed something interesting.

regarding ones who disassociate themselves, there have been many discussions on this board where people tell others not write a letter as you are giving away any legal footing you may have against the society.

well, it appears that there are two routes you can take without officially getting da'd, according to the society's own documents.

Roddy

>>This last week I downloaded the NGO letters posted here and sent copies Monday morning to all the JW gossip mongers I knew and put this PO's return address on them. My spies told me they had an Elders meeting Wed. night that was very heated. I'm not done yet! Maverick<<

You bad boy ... I love it! That ranks right up there with the suggestion to call the WTS, give your name as the PO, and start asking questions as to why we need to believe in a Faithful and Descreet Slave.

HA HA

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The "Watch Tower B. & S. Society" handwriting

by Roddy in

let me toss this up and see if anyone has an answer.. recall the rubberstamp handwriting that serves as the 'signature' in the bottom of all wts correspondence?

anyone knows the history of this sloppy handwriting?

who was the author?

Roddy

Let me toss this up and see if anyone has an answer.

Recall the rubberstamp handwriting that serves as the 'signature' in the bottom of all WTS correspondence? Anyone knows the history of this sloppy handwriting? Who was the author? And why they use it? I also wonder why "Watch Tower" is two words instead of one word?

Ever curious,

ROD

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Did You Know ....? [Rutherford]

by RR in

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1. that judge rutherford had a mistress.

2. that he died from a fall down the basement stiars where he cracked open his skull and the rats fed on him.. 3. that his son, malcolm, left immediately after his father became president and lived the life of a hermit, never to speak to or about his father until in death in 1995.. 4. that the judge was a womenizer, alcoholic and racist and dabbled with the occult.. _______________.

never take a laxative and a sleeping pill on the same night.. edited by - rr on 27 january 2001 13:44:18

Roddy

>>The events of his death were reported by some Bible Students I know very well. Rutherford was to appear at a convention to speak, when he failed to show up, some of the friends went to pay him a visit, they found him lying in the basement, his face fed on by rats, rumors have it of course that Rutherford was buried on the property of Beth Sarim, in private conversation, Fred Franz admits to this, however no one has never seen the supposed grave of Rutherfod anywhere!<<

I realize that this is an old thread. But someone posted a reply, it became current again, and it got my interest.

I have to admit, there has never been any mention of Rutherford's death in the WTS articles. I know about the death of Russell but always the same story that he died on a train while enroute.

Years later I understand why Russell's grave was never mentioned. An no autopsy? But I wonder about Rutherford. Come to think of it, how about Knorr, Franz, Milton??????? Why is the WTS so silent?

I think the part about rats feeding on Rutherford's dead face is amazing. Amazing if it was true and amazing if it was false. I wonder if the funeral was an open casket ceremony? That's a new one. I heard that he was a tobacco smoker but a drinker and a womanizer as well? And this was the president of JWs? That too is amazing.

Anybody know of posts, links, or books that talks about the death and burial of the WTS presidents?

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Gh Gh Gh GHOST!!!!

by RR in

i just got back from columbus, ohio, where i attended a bible student convention, i stayed with some friends.

one of the speakers was from san diego, ca.

and we stayed at the same home, in the evening he was telling us about beth sarim, having live just a few miles from there.

Roddy

<<Here's the strange thing. The family who live there are the original owners who purchased the house from the Society.Two sisters who grew up the house told this story. Their father shortly after living in the house became a drunk and womenizer. They say the house is haunted by the ghost of Rutherford's mistress, a blonde hair women who walks around the house.>>

That is very interesting, RR.

I've noticed during my upbringing that JWs are more superstitious than most people regarding spirits and the occult. They wouldn't go to garage sales nor get anything used nor accept anything that was prior owned unless it came from a JW family that is strong in the religion. They fear the constant possiblity that the previous people had evil spirit influences because they don't follow the "truth" and that even spirits attach to items they own. When you bring their items you bring those wicked spirits in too.

I wonder what wild parties Rutherford did in that house - it being way at the other side of the country in an exclusive neighborhood, I assume, where the average JW family wouldn't normally afford a home there and notice the goings that goes on over time.

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Your favorite Watchtower oddities

by logansrun in

you know, there are some things phrased that are just so, so....watchtoweresque.

what are some things you see that remind you of some wt foibles?

one thing that always cracks me up is when an article or book (or post) uses too many exclamation points.

Roddy

Don't forget "theocratic". It doesn't seem to be used much in the current lingo of JW Frequently Used Words but during the Knorr and Franz periods, it was used all over the place from hair grooming to kinds of employment to personal attitudes.

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GB member dies

by Roddy in

i heard that a gb member, milton henschel, died this past saturday 22 march.

Roddy

I heard that a GB member, Milton Henschel, died this past Saturday 22 March.

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Fraud by Elder costs $4.7M

by patio34 in

miami-dade company founder to pay $4.7 million restitutionmarch 18, 2003. the associated press.

raymond l. knowles, formerly of opa-locka and pembroke pines, was sentenced in january to four years and nine months in federal prison.. .

he had been arrested in san antonio in april, then convicted of 16 counts of mail fraud, four counts of wire fraud and four counts of securities fraud in november.. .

Roddy

If those that were bilked were true JWs in good standing, perhaps full time pioneers, and hoping for the new order just around the corner, they didn't have much life's savings to worry about losing.

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Have We Really Been Lied To?

by sandy in

we were told that the brothers in mexico had been oppressed by the government, so that they could not sing or pray at meetings.

we were not told that the society had registered as a "cultural" organization because religious organizations were not allowed to own property in mexico.

as a "cultural" organization, the brothers were obliged to downplay the religious aspect.

Roddy

I wonder if JR Brown is powerful enough to be a policy maker or he is just a well trained puppet on some short strings? Anyone knows who he really is in the org beyond his official title? I'm just curious. He talks like a polititian/lawyer in his videos.