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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
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  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  Not sure aboutbthe translation issues, but as far as Jewish beliefs and monothiesm Akenatens ideas actually started with his father and was before any evidence of the Israelites, there's no evidence of them existing before 1200 bce. The Jewish beliefs again only seem to be down in writing at about the 6th century bce around the time of their captivity in Babylon.
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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  Saintbertholdt, Its also important to bring out that the Merneptah Stele was writing about this Pharaoh going in to the Levant and defeating several groups, the sea peoples being one of them. The Israelites were mentioned almost as an after thought. This indicates to me that the defeat of the Israelites written about here was a battle that took place again in the Levant and not in Egypt proper. So this stele could not be talking about the exodus story not to mention there a whole host of problems with this Pharaoh being the one of the exodus story In the bible.
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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  Saintbertholdt The Hyksos may have not been the actual Israelites but they got the story from a retelling of this event. The Hyksos may of in fact been related to the Canaanites which archeology has shown were in fact one and the same as the Israelites. The Israelites may have just developed in to a subset of the Canaanites. The Merneptah Stele doesn't seem to show the Israelites as a nation but just a people. And it must be said that in the few expeditions by pharaohs in to the land of the Levant, not one has ever mention defeating or doing battle with a city named Jerusalem. it just was not an important notable city at the time.
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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  Witness 007 The Hyksos were probably part of the invading Amorites that also invaded Babylon etc. These people came from the North near Turkey or so the experts think. They were probably related to the Phoenicians or Canaanites as their also called. I read somewhere that the Hyksos may have worshipped Baal as well as Set and if so that works well with the bible, because early writing show that the Canaanites worshiped El then switched or morphed worship of Baal Hadad as their main deity. Many cultures worshiped one deity then switched to another in their pantheons of deities and almost always combined attributes of the former deity into the newer.
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  Notice that Satan in the bible never existed in the old testament

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. beliefs

  he appears as a snake in genesis not as satan.

  all the way to job no satan is mentioned.

  satan and devil mean "resister" and can be apllied to other people.

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  Satan can mean Adversary,. You'll also find that demons also are hardly mentioned before the New Testament. In the New Testament one can see influences from the Persian religion where Demons and an actual Satan type deity is found. Also cherubim and animals like theses are also in this old religion. In the end most of what is in the bible is stories and ideas as well as beliefs from countries around Israel. The whole idea in the new testament about living a good life, dying, being judged based on your heart condition and then going to heaven or a paradise is all from Egypt and can be confirmed by reading the book of the dead.

  Many of the stories in the bible were taken from another story and then reworked a bit to suit the writer. Noah's flood story is a retelling of the epic of Gilgamesh. the story about the tower of babel was originally about a god Enki confusing the language of a city. The Moses exodus story seems to be a retelling of the Hyksos expulsion with different stories from Egypt thrown in to add flavor to the story. Even a myth about Sargon of Akkad being put in to a basket sealed with pitch then floated down the Euphrates river was thrown in for good measure.
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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  Saintbertholdt , If that's what you took from the article then the article is wrong on that point. Ahmose I is the pharaoh that drove out the Hyksos many years before the reign of Ramesses II. As for it being the Reed sea it was just a mistranslation of the word in the Masoretic text.
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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  What I don't like about guys like Rohl is they seem to concentrate so much on one idea or study that they fail to look out side the box. One case in point. He thinks the garden of Eden is in Azerbaijan, probably using just the bible texts to come up with this idea. Where if he would have studied ancient Sumerian writings where the garden of Eden idea comes from in the first place he would know he was completely in the wrong place.
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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  Part of my text was cut off but I wanted to add that in the Septuagint translation its the Reed Sea the Israelites crossed not the Red Sea. This Reed sea is just to the north of Avaris and is part of the marshy delta.
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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  For those of you that don't research this stuff I will give a little back story. We all know about the Moses Exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event. The only exodus out of Egypt ever recorded was that of a group of Asiatic tribes that had taken over Egypt for a bit over 100 years called the Hyksos and the followers of the Pharaoh Akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the Aten.

  Back to the Hyksos, these were pushed out of Egypt by a king named Ahmose but this was never taken to seriously as the Moses Exodus because it happen several hundred years before the Moses exodus was thought to have taken place and the bible mentions a city the Israelites were supposed to have built under forced labor called Pi-Ramesses after the great Pharaoh Ramesses II.

  But this is where things become interesting, if on looks at the older bible translation called the Septuagint, in this bible the Patriarchs are listed as being older then the more popular bible translation used today the Masoretic. When one lines up the dates using this Septuagint bible it lines up the Exodus very closely to that of the Hyksos. What's also interesting is the original name for the city the Israelites supposedly built was not Pi-Ramesses but Avaris, which was the capital city of the Hyksos. Its also worth noting that several ancient historians state that these Hyksos were in fact the ones the Exodus story in the bible were taking about. Most of these historians stated they were driven out and that a plague had something to do with it. Also this was happening around the same time as a major volcano was erupting in the Mediterranean sea called Mt. Santorini. Maybe some of the ten plagues had something to do with this eruption? Under Avaris they found the remains of dead bodies mostly children under the age of two. Was this do to a plague or the city being under siege by Ahmose and his Egyptian army is unclear. In the end these people were allowed to leave and move east to resettle, Monetho stated that they settled in a city called Jerusalem. These dates also line up with the destruction of the city of Jericho, which may have been attacked and burned by theses Hyksos as they made their way east. Its also worth noting that in the Septuagint translation it the Reed Sea not the Red Sea

  So it looks as though the bible story of an exodus did actually take place, but the retelling of the story by the losers turned in to a legend where they did not loose after all but were the victors, slaves not oppressors.

  A very good article is written here, http://ancientneareast.org//?s=exodus%3A+fact+or+fiction&search=Go
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  interesting hospital encounter

  by stan livedeath in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my 94 year old jw dad is now in hospital--i visit him every day.. in the opposite corner of the ward were a group of visitors to an oldish chap.

  my dub-dar caught words like kingdom hall and watchtower from the rather loud voiced woman i took to be the patients wife.

  she also mentioned a dub by name ive known for 40+years--so i guessed they are in the local congregation to my dad.. as i was leaving--the woman said to me--"what a loving --dutiful son i am.

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  Nice!!!!