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  Serpent in the Garden of Eden is not Satan

  by anointed1 in

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  many interpret serpent in the garden of eden as the satan hence miss the whole point because satan himself does not exist.

  he is a fictional character [for example, in the temptation account, satan is shown as reflecting the erroneous belief of ancient time that shape of earth is flat, thus taking jesus to the top of “a very high mountain” and showed him “all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.” (mathew 4:8, 9) the fact that jesus did not correct the mistaken view of satan shows the account of temptation is allegorical.

  further, jesus knew that satan was only a personification of evil (mathew 16:23; john 6:70) and categorically declared that “all evil thoughts proceed from one’s heart,” not from satan.

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  Crazyguy

  Unless you want to believe the Sumerian stories are true, there's no Satan.
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  Serpent in the Garden of Eden is not Satan

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many interpret serpent in the garden of eden as the satan hence miss the whole point because satan himself does not exist.

  he is a fictional character [for example, in the temptation account, satan is shown as reflecting the erroneous belief of ancient time that shape of earth is flat, thus taking jesus to the top of “a very high mountain” and showed him “all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.” (mathew 4:8, 9) the fact that jesus did not correct the mistaken view of satan shows the account of temptation is allegorical.

  further, jesus knew that satan was only a personification of evil (mathew 16:23; john 6:70) and categorically declared that “all evil thoughts proceed from one’s heart,” not from satan.

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  In the older Sumerian stories where this story originally may have come from the god we know as jehovah may actually be Enlil and the character Satan may be his half brother Enki or the serpent god Zu.

  In the epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh finds a tree of life or plant of life at the bottom of a lake after retrieving it the snake god Zu eats it and get eternal life and Gilgamesh is left to go home and die. In another story Adamu has a chance to get eternal life if he eats the food the sky god Enlil gives to him but he is first told by the god who created him Enki not to eat because it's a trick. Some believe that the story is a bit about the God Enki not wanting to let humans have the same knowledge and immorality as he does.

  Its hard to to tell who the actual players are in the Bible story. Clearly Adam is Adamu both are the first man created, but is Satan Enki and Enlil is Jehovah or is it Enki that's not wanting Adam to eat of the fruit of knowledge and the serpent is the snake god Zu telling mankind that it's ok to eat of the fruit.

  Clearly the story like most of the Bible stories has changed a bit from the original stories and because of this it's unclear.

  One thing is clear though and that is the Bible writers were clearly woman haters because woman are almost always bad in some way or another and are to be treated like property, you see this with Eve in this story. The Sumerians and Babylonians were not this way but some of the Greeks were. So this maybe a clue about who the actual early bible writers were, but it is clear this story was a retelling of older Sumerian stories.
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  Jehovah God and Jesus Christ the difference in the "Old Testament " and the "New Testament"

  by smiddy in

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  when you compare all the communications jehovah god had with humans whether it was by angels ,dreams ,or prophets as well as his intervention in human affairs when it suited him and their are many examples in the old testament to look at for about 4000 years .

  the same cannot be said for jesus christ as king of kings to sit on the throne to rule over the earth for a thousand years.

  in one sense he was king of christians 2000 years ago in another sense according to jw`s he was enthroned in 1914-18 for the next 1000 years.. whether you believe he was king over christians on his ascencion to heaven or his enthronement in 1914-18 for 2000 + years we have not had any communication from either god jehovah or christ jesus in any form one way or another.for the past 2000 years.. for the first 4000 years you couldnt shut jehovah up ,and the next 2000 years you dont here a beep out of jehovah or christ jesus.. for jw apologists when god gave a ruling/decree in the old testament how many times did he adjust /redefine/change what he said using the excuse "the light gets brighter and brighter" ?

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  Another point that should be brought out is how much Jesus contradicts the teachings of jevovah.
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  Not very zealous as before

  by anointed1 in

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  what i sense from the conversations of my family members and relatives who are jws is that at least some jws are not as zealous before with regard to the major subjects such as “sanctification of god’s name,” “vindication of his sovereignty” etc.

  they begin to feel that such subjects are imaginary issues.. this is a good sign.

  it shows people are worried about their own day-to-day worries.

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  I wouldn't say that Smiddy, still a lot of ignorant people believing everything thier told.
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  How much money people usually donate to WT ?

  by Bardamu in

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  i grew up in the org and never got baptised, however i was wondering recently about how much money my family and old friends are wasting in all that.

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  i remember of course never talking in amounts, that it was important to give from what you can not what you have etc but i admit i have no clue how much the average witness gives (say in % of their income).. i'm sure it varies greatly, i'd love to hear what you guys have to say..

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  It's funny I only really started donating just before I woke up. Others I know never really gave any. It seems as though the ones that gave the most are the older ones like older woman that had an excess of money maybe do to the death of thier worldly husband that not only made money while alive but had an actual life insurance policy .
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  Just a warning to keep on the watch!

  by Crazyguy in

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  i was watching a documentary on the massacre at waco the cult by david karesh.

  one of the former members that survived, she wasn't at the compound at the time of the fire, said that david had told his followers that they would die being persecuted.

  that in the end they would die and then be taken to heaven.

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  I was watching a documentary on the massacre at Waco the cult by David Karesh. One of the former members that survived, she wasn't at the compound at the time of the fire, said that David had told his followers that they would die being persecuted. That in the end they would die and then be taken to heaven. This former follower said she was surprised to see any one running out of the compound when it was one fire. She also said it didn't surprise her that no children with thier mothers survived again do to the teaching that they would die then go to heaven as righteous followers getting thier reward.

  We must always be diligent to what the cult of JWs say and print and look for signs this evil cult is heading the same way. We can never assume because it's a large cult that this couldn't happen!
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  Their lamps are going out.

  by biblexaminer in

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  everyone here has read mt.

  25 and knows the illustration of the virgins with the lamps.

  i have mentioned this illustration in conversation with several dubbies, to draw attention to their foolishness in following watchtower's false reasoning.. in the illustration, there are two kinds of virgins, or people.

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  Crazyguy

  Well when your told most of your life that the end will come before a generation of people die, it's god promise and it doesn't come true your left kinda hanging.
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

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  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  Crazyguy

  There maybe some truth to your idea of numbers meaning something in the Bible. The number 40 has connections to the Sumerian god Enki. The Adam story is also Sumerian in its origins. If there is a connection it's probably something connected to Sumeria or Babylon over Egypt.
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  Which Religions Forbid Outside Research?

  by AnonVet in

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  my definition of a cult is just this:if you are not allowed to research outside of your religion's published sources, you are in a cult.what other religions (cults) are there that absolutely forbid outside research on threat of punishment / shunning?

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  Mormons, Scientology.
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  Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.

  7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.

  10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.

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  Crazyguy

  I'm with Barold Bonds , I want what your smoking!