was there something that was said to you that got the wheel turning in your brain, that caused you to start waking up to ttatt, either by a jw or ex-jw that you didn't know was awake?
i'm trying to think of things i can say or ask of my current family members still in that may help them to start seeing the real truth about the organization.
they think we're still in..
People like to say you can't wake up a JW they have todo it themselves. I agree to a point but having the information out there is very important so when one is ready they can wake up. Plantings seeds is also very helpful and this is what helped to wake me and a friend up. So I think it's very important that former JWs stay active in planting seeds and activism.
Don't let people saying JWs won't wake up unless their ready stop you!
was there something that was said to you that got the wheel turning in your brain, that caused you to start waking up to ttatt, either by a jw or ex-jw that you didn't know was awake?
i'm trying to think of things i can say or ask of my current family members still in that may help them to start seeing the real truth about the organization.
they think we're still in..
Most people go along to get along never thinking about what their being taught and how its effecting their lives. One usually has to go through something that effects them emotionally before they start to wake up.
the edinburgh city observatory sits atop calton hill at the east end of the city centre adjacent to burn's monument, scotland's national monument modelled on the parthenon, and nelson's monument with the time ball that falls at 1pm every day except sundays.. .
the second astronomer royal of edinburgh was charles piazzi smyth (jan. 1819 - feb. 1900).
smyth was a man of many and varied interests including meteorology, producing weather observations that still form an important part of uk climate records to this day.. building on the work of james taylor, smyth became fascinated by the great pyramid of egypt at giza.
This reminds me of when the current GB stated there was no evil slave, they stole that from a theologian. I think this corrupt cult hasn't ever had an original idea!
the edinburgh city observatory sits atop calton hill at the east end of the city centre adjacent to burn's monument, scotland's national monument modelled on the parthenon, and nelson's monument with the time ball that falls at 1pm every day except sundays.. .
the second astronomer royal of edinburgh was charles piazzi smyth (jan. 1819 - feb. 1900).
smyth was a man of many and varied interests including meteorology, producing weather observations that still form an important part of uk climate records to this day.. building on the work of james taylor, smyth became fascinated by the great pyramid of egypt at giza.
Nice work, wonder if his book can be found anywhere.
the babylonian empire didn't start until assyria was finally defeated in 612 bc.
then as we know babylon supposedly destroyed jerusalem in 607 according to wt.
before jerusalem was destroyed babylon had taken jerusalem and taken prisoners including the king and deported them to babylon and then according to ezekiel at 33:21 twelve years into their captivity a man from jerusalem came and told him the city had been destroyed.. ok so how does jerusalem get conquered 12 years before 607 when the babylonians hadn't even become the major power yet??
Your totally correct Jeffro, I didn't bring up Harran only to make the point that Assyria was pretty much done as an empire in 612. The move to Harran was a last ditch effort to hold on . I didn't realize the GB moved the dates for these events back too. It's amazing all the historical and archeological evidence to the contrary. Their major mistake is being convinced that the 70 year prophecy came true. So with this being their premise they have got themselves stuck.
zeb, I wasn't sure if Carl tackled this but figured he did. I have never read his book but from what I've read sounds like he really went over all the issues. Again it's one thing for WT to claim 607 but then to claim these other events happened also at an earlier date is just way over the top. The evidence is just way to much to overcome.
was there something that was said to you that got the wheel turning in your brain, that caused you to start waking up to ttatt, either by a jw or ex-jw that you didn't know was awake?
i'm trying to think of things i can say or ask of my current family members still in that may help them to start seeing the real truth about the organization.
they think we're still in..
Yes Lett.
the babylonian empire didn't start until assyria was finally defeated in 612 bc.
then as we know babylon supposedly destroyed jerusalem in 607 according to wt.
before jerusalem was destroyed babylon had taken jerusalem and taken prisoners including the king and deported them to babylon and then according to ezekiel at 33:21 twelve years into their captivity a man from jerusalem came and told him the city had been destroyed.. ok so how does jerusalem get conquered 12 years before 607 when the babylonians hadn't even become the major power yet??
The Babylonian empire didn't start until Assyria was finally defeated in 612 BC. Then as we know Babylon supposedly destroyed Jerusalem in 607 according to WT. Before Jerusalem was destroyed Babylon had taken Jerusalem and taken prisoners including the king and deported them to Babylon and then according to Ezekiel at 33:21 twelve years into their captivity a man from Jerusalem came and told him the city had been destroyed.
Ok so how does Jerusalem get conquered 12 years before 607 when the Babylonians hadn't even become the major power yet??
According to cuneiform texts and the chronicles of Nebuchadnezzar Jerusalem was originally sacked by Babylon in 598. 598-12 years the Jews were in captivity when the man said the city had been destroyed equals 586. Doesn't a lot of historians believe this to be the date of Jerusalems destruction?
https://www.facebook.com/jw.0027/videos/799049613609936/.
the video was posted directly to a pro-jw facebook page.
i cant believe what i'm hearing... actually, nothing surprises be about this cult anymore.. didn't they say to the judge in the arc that they dont discourage college?.
Isn't one of the GB a college graduate and the head of the writing department? Not to mention something like 30 nurses, doctors and lawyers that all work there.
i mailed the below letter to my mother a few weeks ago.
i did share it on the ex-jw facebook group but thought i'd post it here.. basically, she's shunned me since day 1, has little or nothing to do with my 3yo daughter and told my sister "i hope <my daughter> becomes a jw when she's older so i can welcome her into the family".
well, that was the last straw for me..
She won't read it, also the cult has away of making people just shut off. It's so easy for JWs to shun relatives it's almost automatic. So sad that no ones thinks for themselves in that cult.
i was wondering today what i would say if i ever were to be called to a judicial trial in the congregation, and my conclusion was that i didn't really have any biblical defense against it.
so i was wondering what you guys would recommend.
it seems far fetched to me that the bible condones a 1 vs 3 biased trial (where you already have been judged beforehand), instead of one where you have a unbiased judge, a defense and a prosecutor/accuser.
One of the key points I got from the Bible was the elders of the group would deal with someone at the city gate. This would mean it was a public event . You obviously don't see that with the JWs even when two elders came to my house on a couple of occasions the wife got the kids and herself out of the area. It's just one big scam so it's your word against theirs and any chance of one using the Bible to prove their points wrong to the public isn't going to happen.
