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  Another reason Watchtower may be hurting financially

  by shepherdless in

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  2. beliefs

  i don't think anyone else has raised this point.

  below i set out the case that the jw demographic in usa has a steadily decreasing combined income, and as a consequence, has less money to donate.

  not only is the flock not growing, the flock is producing less wool for the borg to fleece.

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  This is so true and as this crazy cult goes on it seems to me that there’s a lot of apathy. For most of my time in I never donated , my wife who was and still is PIMI way more then I ever was never really donated or asked me if I did. A friend which is now out but was in for 50 years and was a MS for a time said he doesn’t think he donated more then 100 bucks the whole time he was in.

  People are broke struggling and a lot of them are just plain apathetic when it comes to the cult. They go because they have to but once there they don’t really engage at the meeting and especially when not there.

  Its also good to see how many halls are really half full or less. I think the begging for money that the cult does way more often then ever before is their attempt to get as much as they can while they can.
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  Biblical incidents that bothered me.

  by EverApostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i wanted to discuss the (supposed) biblical events that disturbed me a lot when i was a jw.

  these incidents were just read and discussed in the kingdom hall as if these are normal and justified, which clearly weren't.

  perhaps this led to my awakening.

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  Another one a lot of people forget is where David sins again and this time David’s first born baby is killed, but not just killed it suffered for 7 days and nights before finally being killed.
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  Watchtower Loses an Appeal

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  publication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.

  it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.

  yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.

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  I’m really surprised after all that the cult has done in court that the court didn’t raise the amount per day as well in today’s ruling. Meaning from today forward they must pay $8000 per day if they don’t comply.
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  Side effect of Downsizing......$$$

  by Tech49 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so here is a tidbit you will all just love!.

  we all are hearing of the trend right now to ¨downsize¨ the congregations...ie... eliminate by combining, in order to blah blah blah... .

  here is what you didnt know: every time a congregation is dissolved, for whatever reason, including merging or dispersing, wt makes money!

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  Crazyguy

  The good news is as the amount congregations get smaller and they downsize the Kingdom Halls by selling off ones that are no longer needed their foot print is less and less, meaning they’ll make less money in the future.
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  True or False did the Watchtower Corporation create false doctrines intentionally to enhance the proliferation of their own publications ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  much as been revealed over the years to the date setting doctrines made by the wts.

  such as ( 1874, 1914, 1925 , 1975 this generation, the last days, the end times etc.... which were not created by other christian based faiths.. as to critically examine why might reveal a hidden agenda to all these date setting proclamations.. the point in question is did the wts and its leaders intentionally manipulate or exploit the preaching of the gospel to enhance the proliferation of their own printed publications ?.

  i would say convincingly yes, no question.

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  Vienne, your totally wrong on this . I have his first publishing of his book The Time at Hand 1889 the gentile time were to end in 1914 with Armageddon soon to take place that autumn. The gentile time ending ment jesus would bring his reign on earth. He wrote that Jesus had already taken is kingship and had come invisibly in 1874 and 1878. He then wrote is his next book I also have the first published year of this book and he confirmed with the pyramid that his dates were correct and set in stone.
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  When did "The Last Days" of JW Organization Begin? Will This Generation See It End?

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a growing discourse on this forum has been around what "the end" means.

  as jws, many here spent varying proportions of our lives waiting for the end when an unsettling realization was that the end that approaches is more likely to be from old age than the world's end.

  through the centuries, group after group, has claimed it has "inside" information on the end of the world, drawing in the desperate-for-comfort like moths to flames.

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  Yeah again 1995 , the year book showed a great exodus after of about 250k or more per year . I think the Y2K scare and the year 2000 scared some into staying. I think the economy crash of 2008-2009 and all the problems JWs had showed many more that the big J is no where to be found when you need help.

  The last couple of times I went to the hall I noticed so many WT not studied I was surprised. Now with Kevin and others filming the inside of KHs during meetings and seeing how few are going it’s good news that this cult may end before I’m dead.
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  True or False did the Watchtower Corporation create false doctrines intentionally to enhance the proliferation of their own publications ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  much as been revealed over the years to the date setting doctrines made by the wts.

  such as ( 1874, 1914, 1925 , 1975 this generation, the last days, the end times etc.... which were not created by other christian based faiths.. as to critically examine why might reveal a hidden agenda to all these date setting proclamations.. the point in question is did the wts and its leaders intentionally manipulate or exploit the preaching of the gospel to enhance the proliferation of their own printed publications ?.

  i would say convincingly yes, no question.

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  I think your over thinking it. Russell stated the end was going to come in 1914 . Rutherford pickup the religion but then said the end was going to happen just a few years after 1914. . When that didn’t happen he had to reinvent the cult so they ditched pyramidology and many of the things Russell taught. Many of the things Rutherford said never happen same as the ideas of Knorr and Franz. Bottom line is when you think a book that’s based on mythology is real and everything in it really happen then your going to fail time and time again on your beliefs about things to come.
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  You are a Jehovah’s Witness or you are nothing at all…

  by silentbuddha in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this morning i got a call from a friend of mine who i was actually roommates with at bethel in the 1990’s.

  he left that organization about 3 years ago.

  he was crushed because it was the 10 year anniversary (for lack of a better term) of the day that his brother took his life after being disfellowshipped many moons ago and not being reinstated.

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  My wife told one of my kids when I left that I don’t matter anymore, hows that for f*^cked up!!
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  In what decade was it clearly apparent that Watchtower was a high control religion?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm just curious to get people's views on this.. the bible students seem to start of as quite a liberal group under charles taze russell, albeit he had some whacky teachings going on.

  obviously things began to change under rutherford.

  but what decade did it become abundantly clear that the society was indeed high control religion or even labeled a cult?.

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  Crazyguy

  1980s is when they became an official cult in my opinion. Franz and others in the writting department started showing them flaws in their teachings and they freaked out . The scandal made them change several rules including how and who to shun. Before this you could talk to those that left and just resigned. People in the halls would even speak up during let say a Watchtower study if the conductor said some thing they felt did go with the Bible. Now all you can did is nod your head yes.
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  Could You See A Kingdom Hall Getting Shot Up?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would never want to see that happen but i’m surprised it has not occurred at this point.

  there are many disgruntled people who have had bad experiences with the witnesses..

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  I’m actually surprised it hasn’t happened more.