Do they still teach that the 144,000 started to go to heaven in 1918? If so thats not biblical since in Thessalonians its written they all go together. Also it was mentioned in an earlier post but nowhere does it say they 144,000 are the actual ones that become Kings and Priests it says the ones that were killed as martyrs will be raised and made into Judges.
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JW's now believe in The Rapture
by Oubliette injw's now believe in the rapture.
notice this curious doctrinal change in the controversial july 15th, 2013 watchtower: .
one of the events mentioned in these verses is the gathering of the chosen ones.
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Hello and my exit story from WTS
by free2Bme13 ini thought it was fitting for me to share my freedom from the witnesses story on independence day weekend.. i dont have any secret info, just experiences that happened to me and started to open my eyes.. i was a third generation, raised in the truth kid who was never supposed to be born, and then never supposed to graduate high school.
ive now been out of high school longer than i was in school.. the beginning of the end started a little less than a decade ago.
i was late 20s at the time.
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Thanks for sharing and welcome.
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PARKING AT THE TACOMA DOME!
by clarity inparking at the tacoma dome for jehovah's witnesses was.
evidently included in the cost of the rent.. >.
"by law, the wtbs was not to collect additional.
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Crazyguy
I'm supposed to go to the Tacoma Dome this month, I think I'll be missing the event this year.
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Smoking Gun?
by Crazyguy ini was unable to insert the pic from the april 15,2013 pg 29 but leaving jesus christ out of the illustration on page 29 is no problem for the governing body as they have now substituted themselves for christ.
the following quotations substantiate this:-.
''the faithful slave is the channel through which jesus is feeding his true followers at this time of the end.
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Yeah its so obvious that they are in fact the apostates and if i ever end up at a JC meeting I'll will show them from the bible that yes brother elders you are the apostates.
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Hi! I'm new here.
by abbasgreta ini have so enjoyed all your threads and input this last year!
i really feel like i know you all.
very briefly, all four of us left da troof exactly one year ago and dissed ourselves within days.
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Crazyguy
Great post and welcome, I pretty much feel the same way as I learned the real truth and what Christianity is really about.
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Making the Jehovah's Witnesses OWN THEIR OWN EVIL
by Terry indrunkards often scape-goat responsibility onto their drinking--as though it were morally defensible to cause accidents or death!.
serial drinking and driving is a plague on highways across the world.
drunkeness has been labeled as a "disease" and it isn't unusual.
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Prologos, whos sitting on the chariot or throne in this picture, Jesus or Jah? Your statement to Phizzy is confusing me.
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Can't get any bibles?
by gold_C inso according to people in every congregation i've mentionned it to, the slave isn't producing any more bibles.
at first i thought that they were going to release an updated translation, like the updated brochures that were given at the latest convention, but that didn't happen, and everyone from the branch claims that there is "a reason for it", yet they're being extremely secretive.. .
can anyone who's got ties to bethel help me out here?
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Crazyguy
Don't worry that Jah is not going to except any more people near the end, out of the great tribulation there is a great crowd. The tribulation hasn't started yet and out of it comes a great multitude so they idea that people will be cut off from God's grace at the end is stupid and just more mind control by the ORG.
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Smoking Gun?
by Crazyguy ini was unable to insert the pic from the april 15,2013 pg 29 but leaving jesus christ out of the illustration on page 29 is no problem for the governing body as they have now substituted themselves for christ.
the following quotations substantiate this:-.
''the faithful slave is the channel through which jesus is feeding his true followers at this time of the end.
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I was unable to insert the Pic from the April 15,2013 pg 29 but leaving Jesus Christ out of the illustration on page 29 is no problem for the Governing Body as they have now substituted themselves for Christ. The following quotations substantiate this:-
''The Faithful Slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers at this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the Faithful Slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel. Matt 4:4; John 17:3.
Watchtower July 15, 2013, page 20, paragraphThe other sheep should never forget that their salvation depends on their active support of Christ’s anointed brothers still on earth.
Watchtower March 15, 2012, page 20, paragraph 2.Through the new covenant, Jehovah makes blessings available to many by means of a few. Those in the covenant are few, 144,000 Through them, (FDS class, now the Governing Body), millions from all nations will be blessed with everlasting life on an earthly paradise……
Watchtower March 1st, 2012, page 17, section 3.We need to obey the Faithful and Discreet Slave to have Jehovah’s approval.
Watchtower July 15, 2011, page 24.Among those “gifts in men” are the members of the Governing Body, who act in a representative way for the entire Christian congregation, (Acts 15: 2, 6). In fact, our attitude towards Christ’s spiritual brothers is a major factor that will determine how we will be judged in the coming great tribulation, (Matt 25:34-40). Thus one aspect of the way we gain a blessing is by giving our loyal support to God’s anointed ones.
Watchtower December 15, 2010, page 20, paragrap19.The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their leader Christ.
Watchtower September 15, 2010, page 23, paragraph 8.The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God’s Word. Thus, what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah – Isa 54:13w
Watchtower September 15, 2010, page 13, paragraph 8.
We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of the “faithful and discreet slave” (now an 8 man Governing Body), we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it. (Matt 24:45-47).
Watchtower September 15, 2010. page 8, paragraph 7.So the last quotation negates John 14:26, James 1:5 and 1John 2:27
Isnt this a big deal the smoking gun showing that this ORG cares only for itself and its power over people? I would think this picture should be the catalyst to open up they eyes to the believers. The Ammo for all us faders that may be attacked by family and friends that are accusing us of apostasy. Throw this pic in their faces along with these quotes and then ask whos the apostates now?!!!
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4 generations and Jehovah's protection
by Sour Grapes ini saw a news article on line last week of a family portrait.
there were 4 individuals in the.
picture.
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Yeah i was just thinking about the generations subject yesterday and their poor excuse for understanding. My Grandmother is 95 and my youngest child is 2. So if my Grandmother dies next year since my son was alive when she died thats one generation, really. What does the bible say in the first part of Mathew and what happened in the desert during Moses time concerning that generation? I knew back in 1995 this excuse of a reason was total crap, but didn't really stop and think about it or care too much because i had just gotten married. Should've left the ORG back then.
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Yet another Septuagint manuscript using the divine name found
by slimboyfat inlarry hurtado mentioned on his blog that yet another early manuscript of the septuagint has been found that uses the divine name instead of lord (kurios), this time representing the divine name with ancient hebrew letters (yhwh) in what is the earliest extant copy of the psalms in greek.
hurtado argues that the use of the definite article before the divine name indicates that the manuscript relies on earlier copies that used lord (kurios), but the fact remains that all the earliest copies of the septuagint that have survived use some form of the divine name and none use lord (kurios) as a substitute.
that's about ten out of ten for manuscripts of the septuagint earlier than mid-second century c.e so far.. http://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/new-oxyrhynchus-manuscripts/.
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Crazyguy
The New Testaments says that Jesus name would be exalted above all others why? maybe Jah.,Yah, El, knew that his name had been corrupted and banned etc. so why not just forget about it and Exalt the name of the one you sent in your stead. 'This is the one I approve, listen to him'