Posts by Crazyguy

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I have doubts... can you help me??- A new idea

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i have been perplexed as to how to brung my wife out of jws and to exit the religion... but i had an idea last night.

i know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them... not df them .. this is a sheperding call etc.. thus since my wife knows i have doubt s i could say: i want to have two brother over to discuss this ... she will agree.... of course i will hit these guys with biblical textual issues, an biology to where they are stunned and still ask... "so brothers... can you solve this conflict...?".

in this case they will not think of me as an apostate but may question their own beliefs... .

Crazyguy

This idea could work but you'll have to plan well. What I mean is the first time an elder came over to speak with me on the subject of who really are Christians the 144k or all of us, my wife was present. He then made a statement that made it seem that I was wrong because I hand not covered that specific point he made in my paperwork. This statement was easily refuted at the next meeting but by then the wife had heard enough at the first meeting to reinforce her beliefs and was no longer present at any of the other meetings. In fact I think they instructed her to remove herself and the kids while we spoke. So you must have all your information ready and be prepared for any thing they may say. It would also be important that she was there and you kept emotion out of it.

Remember one slip up on your part is all it will take to reinforce her beliefs and you'll get no second chances.

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I have doubts... can you help me??- A new idea

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i have been perplexed as to how to brung my wife out of jws and to exit the religion... but i had an idea last night.

i know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them... not df them .. this is a sheperding call etc.. thus since my wife knows i have doubt s i could say: i want to have two brother over to discuss this ... she will agree.... of course i will hit these guys with biblical textual issues, an biology to where they are stunned and still ask... "so brothers... can you solve this conflict...?".

in this case they will not think of me as an apostate but may question their own beliefs... .

Crazyguy

I thought you were going to hit her with the facts that the god of the bible is just and idol found at Ugarit as well as other things that blow the whole bible thing up. I was hoping you would give us her response.

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How much is a Billion bucks to the Borg

by Ignoranceisbliss in

in recent news articles it's been suggested that properties currently up for sale in brooklyn will fetch around $1,000,000,000.

just how significant is this kind of money to the wtbts?

my estimation is that would be the equivalent to 3 years worth of donations from every us witness.

Crazyguy

I thinks its a lot, they are downsizing so the money will go further. I also think that they realize the monies going to dry up. Religion as a whole is drying up, the internet is killing it. They are having to make adjustments for this reality, so I think the money will go along way for them.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Crazyguy

My thoughts on the subject are this, Lev.chapter 17 says that the blood is the symbol of life and to pour it out, out of respect for the animal you killed. By the end of the chapter is says you can eat an unbled animal you didn't kill and would be unclean for doing so only until evening. So this makes it clear that blood is to be poured out as a sign of respect for the life of the animal you killed, that's it period! Everything else on the matter is irrelevant.

People don't die giving blood for a transfusion so it's irrelevant. The JW religion now allows ones to take cows blood, this proves their evil Period!

There's nothing left to discuss!

If one wants to get all technical then consider this, the book of Leviticus was most likely written before the book of Genesis and the writers of the new testament we're just copying and rehashing thoughts from the old testament with out considering what exactly we're the ideas being put accross by the old testament writers. Last but not least the writings attributed by Paul contradict the writings attributed to Jesus and the four Gospels cant even get their stories strait concerning the life and travels of Christ, so burn the damn book written by ancient Talaban types and use some common sense!

And remember, the Gods loved the sweet smell of the savoury scrafice , animals being cooked as a sacrifice by Noah. Genesis. God loved the sweet smell of his sons sacrifice, Ephesians. And they call me Crazy.

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The Pain of Coming to a Decision

by daniel-p in

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it's been at least a couple years since i've posted anything on here, and much longer than that since when i was active.

ten years ago i first came here all in turmoil over my disillusionment of my beliefs.

i've been through lots of ups and downs since then.

Crazyguy

I think you have ptsd, or something similar. I believe I have the same and many on this forum do as well. Your wife seems as though she wants to try, and the fact that she hasn't taken the kids and run back to all the meetings etc, should be taken as a good sign. I think it's time to be pro active with your family. What is your beliefs, share them with your kids and wife. Don't attack her faith just point out other things that show her faith as wrong with out the frontal attack.

For example if you believe in evolution show your kids the picture of that chicken with a tooth. Then explain that scientist turned on an old dormant gene or chromosone, whatever it's called. If your a Christian then show the kids where in the Bible it's OK to celebrate holidays. Tell your wife now you feel, she seems like she cares and wants to know. Take it from me that's married to a wife that doesn't care, goes to all the meetings with my children and tells lies about me behind my back, you have hope and I think a wife that still loves you. So cheer up and happy holidays!

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What made you turn atheist or agnostic?

by LevelThePlayingField in

if you were a jw and are now an atheist or agnostic, what was the tipping point that made you turn to it?.

the reason i ask is i have noticed that many who leave the jw's seem to turn to atheism, versus still having some form of a faith.

have many of you given up on god first or have you had atheistic views first and then found atheism to be true.

Crazyguy

Doing Bible study and research convinced I was a Christian we all believers are Borg wrong on this and then saw a quote by someone that the Canaanite God head of their Pantheon of God's was named El.

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Pictures in the Watchtower

by Sour Grapes in

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after sitting through last sunday's watchtower i got so sick of seeing the bobbing/nodding heads when talking about the pictures.

they act like god himself took the picture.

there must have been 10 comments about the group in service and the one brother was looking at his phone with a smile, which is a dead give away that he was reading something interesting.. what got me was how the older brother in the posed picture had a bible in his hand had a stern look on his face looking at the young brother.

Crazyguy

Pew survey shows they are the dumbest

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We (in the 21st century) are not living in the biblical "last days."

by quincemyles in

all that jesus spoke about in matthew 24 was fulfilled in the first century.

all of jesus' warnings in that passage were relevant only to natural jews.

(mat.

Crazyguy

Peter said they we're in the last days in acts chapter 2. John said they we're in thevlast hour of the last days 1john. Jesus said he would be back very soon 5 times in the last chapter of revelation.

Yep, so glad I wasted 45 years of my life on this book.

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Where the real abuse lies.

by ctrwtf in

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let me start with a disclaimer: i am in no way minimizing the horrific crimes done to children by pedophiles.

i'm not downplaying the number of lives lost due to the blood issue, or hearts broken because of shunning.

i do not want to discount the feelings of those who have come to the end of their lives with expectations of paradise postponed.. but to me the biggest atrocity committed by this awful cult is raising children from a small age to believe that soon god will kill billions of people.

Crazyguy

Ctrwtf, I would like to know how old are you. I'm wondering if kids and young adults still feel this way?

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Tanzania News Update

by mana11 in

i wanted to share with you some feed back from this region.

since you could say tanzania and other regions within africa are the last hard to reach places on the earth.

it is where the www preaching work funds are directed, as being justified to get your donations.there are now no longer any foreigners at the branch within tanzania, they all were told to go.

Crazyguy

Why do you think the halls we're empty during the memorial? I have heard from others that the African memorial attendance was down.