Posts by Crazyguy

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Is Satan really the bad guy in story of creation?

by evilApostate in

i wanted to take an objective look at satan in the story of creation.

this is not meant to offend those of you who are still christians.

i'm agnostic btw.

Crazyguy

Also the word and the angel that's called cherubs, is from the religion of Zoroastrian. More proof the story was just a retelling of an older myth. Even the Sumerians wrote that they had contact with another older place called Arrata. This city may have been found east in modern day Iran. They found some religious artifacts of scorpionmen, again another mythological creature mentioned in sumeria and again in the book of Revelations.

Zoroastra comes from this part of the world and the concept of a bad god and a good god come from this religion too.

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666 or 616? Do we have to choose a number or could it be both?

by fulltimestudent in

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i'm sure that most longer term readers on this list know that the use of the number in the revelation was a 'code' using the jewish concept that assigned number values to the letters of the hebrew alphabet.. a promoter of modern judaism ( dr. eliyahu lizorkin-eyzeneberg) explains:.

today gematria is well-known as a jewish interpretive method that assigns numerical values of hebrew letters to words, phrases and/or sentences.

then, by adding them together, seeks to determine their deeper meaning.

Crazyguy

Both piont to Nero

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Why Is YHWH Used Regularly In OT and NEVER in NT?

by minimus in

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friends

and if the name jehovah is that important why is it that jesus christ never use that name in a record of scriptures?.

Crazyguy

David-jay one thing to remember yes people do believe that possibly a new god was introduced to the Jews from the area you mentioned but let's not forget that the writers said this god was the god of the forefathers and gave this god the same atributes as El and Baal Hadad.

There is also some scriptures talking about a mountain in the north called Zaphon and this was Baals mountain the scriptures in question transfers this mountain and its holy place to another to the south. I'll have to look it up but again it's as if they transferred the mountain and the God down to thier mountain nearer to them.

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Is Satan really the bad guy in story of creation?

by evilApostate in

i wanted to take an objective look at satan in the story of creation.

this is not meant to offend those of you who are still christians.

i'm agnostic btw.

Crazyguy

This story is a bastardized New telling of the much older story from the Enuma Elish. In the original story Enki is the God that we would assume is Satan and Enlil his half brother is the God that is depicted in this story as Jehovah. There are many similarities between the two stories yet the Bible writters changed things around a whole bunch and added to his writings aspects of other stories from Sumeria some still being from the Enuma Elish.

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Why Is YHWH Used Regularly In OT and NEVER in NT?

by minimus in

jw
friends

and if the name jehovah is that important why is it that jesus christ never use that name in a record of scriptures?.

Crazyguy

A second century BC historian can't remember his, wrote that the God of the Jews was Helios. Archeology shows that many things in the Bible were just plain made up stories or legends

It has also been shown that the original god of the Israelites was the Canaanite God El then it changed to Baal Hadad with all the atributes of El being added to Baal including his wives Asherah and Anat. So again by the time you get to the New Testament it's anyone's guess who or what the yhwh represents.

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Landmark: FIRST EVER report of JW child sexual abuse in Spain

by darkspilver in

as per barbara anderson's post two months ago - today, wednesday 16 november 2016, in an historic landmark, the barcelonian based newspaper el periódico's website has published the first ever publicly reported case of child sexual abuse within the jehovah's witnesses in spain.. a penal code was introduced in spain in 1995, which specified an age of consent of 12 for all sexual acts, this was then raised to 13 in 1999. currently, under a new law which came into effect on 1 july 2015, the age of consent in spain is 16, which rises to 18 if there is deception or abuse of a recognized position of trust, authority or influence over the minor.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ages_of_consent_in_europe#spain.

jehovah's witness in spain were forbidden from public manifestations of faith until they where legally recognized in the country on friday 10 july 1970, in accordance with the religious liberty law of 1967.. at the time of legal recognition there were some 11,041 active jw's in spain which had a population then of just over 32 million (a ratio of 1-in-2,908 ).. in the following two years 144 kingdom halls were legalized and inaugurated, and the number of active jw's increased by 42% to 15,668 with the memorial attended by some 40,000.. at the time it was claimed that the jw's were the second-largest religious group in the country (second only to the catholics).. after 230 years, spain abolished compulsory military service in 2001.. today there are 109,457 active jw's in spain which has a current population 46,439,864 (a ratio 1-in-417 - to compare, the usa ratio is currently 1-in-261 ).. under the heading a religious organization under investigation, el periódico has published the following three articles:los testigos de jehová a una niña violada: "si lo cuentas, te quedarás sin paraíso".

una mujer de 29 años denuncia que fue agredida sexualmente y coaccionada para silenciarlo hace 21 años.

Crazyguy

Thier excuse that these claims are orchestrated by the devil, Bull crap!!

I personally knew a young woman senior in high school that was date raped by another senior in her school. This guy wanted to be with her and she wasn't interested but he acted as if he was interested in the religion. So one of the elders from her hall studied with him and she was told to be nice to him.

Later he raped her, she got pregnant from her first sexual experience but she didn't go to the elders for about 4 months. It's very common for female victims not to go to the police or any authority do to shame and other feelings. She did finally go because she was pregnant.

The loving elders in all thier compassion dfd her!! Devilish lie nope, I was thier first hand as close as a friend can be and helped her the best I could even after she was dfd!!!

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Why Is YHWH Used Regularly In OT and NEVER in NT?

by minimus in

jw
friends

and if the name jehovah is that important why is it that jesus christ never use that name in a record of scriptures?.

Crazyguy

I think many here are missing the reality of it. Iesous (Jesus) was a created god modeled originally after Serapis which he also was modeled after several gods ones of Greek and Egyptian origin. So who are you going to call his father. Who was the father of Osiris or Zeus or Helios? Yes the Jews may have written some of the old testaments and even some of the new so do we call the father of Iesous El, but that wouldn't go over to well with the Greeks or the Egyptians would it? And since the New Testament wasn't put together or in many cases the books of the New Testament were not even written until 300-400-500 years after the story of Jesus what do they call his father, Chronos, AmenRa? Or since this is a new religion trying to gain as many converts as possible in the Roman Empire maybe they need a new name? Or better yet maybe they don't mention his name and edit the old writings and take out any name of a god that would make it specific to one group of people?

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Why Is YHWH Used Regularly In OT and NEVER in NT?

by minimus in

jw
friends

and if the name jehovah is that important why is it that jesus christ never use that name in a record of scriptures?.

Crazyguy

Jesus Christ was the new guy taking the place of the old Creator God exalted to the one and only true God the old God didn't matter as much just the creator god. In older pantheons this is also what happened . Baal replaced El, Osiris replaced Ra, Marduk replaced several gods before ,Zeus replaced Chronos. Acts chapter 4 the only name to be saved by was Jesus.

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Watchtower's "New Light" re Babylonish Captivity, November 2016 WT

by Room 215 in

has anyone noticed the wt's most recent shell-game revisionism in the november study tractazine, relating to the shifting of its "babylonish captivity" doctrine, from a 3 1/2-year period around the ww 1 years, to a period now spanning about 16 centuries, or from the 4th century (constantine's legal recognition of christianity) to 1919?.

Crazyguy

Maybe they are moving away from the importance of 1914 to it's all about 1919?

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Your work is not in vain! Thank You!

by de-opresso-liber in

been lurking since early this year.

there are many of us out there (at least in this area, central u.s.) who are waking up and crossing the line to talk to each other about it.

in our area, several elders, ministerial servants and pioneers are actively and openly sharing info with each other daily.

Crazyguy

When I woke up I too thought I was alone in my area. I helped to wake up a friend and then through him I started to realize how many others have left the cult. Most left because of the way they were treated or saw how others were treated. I think these awakening are starting a snow ball effect.

People are still going to allow loved ones to talk with them and hear some of what they have to say. No matter how hard they try it can't be stopped. The right placed phrase or sentence sometimes is all that's needed by a friend or loved one to start someone down the road to freedom.

I think some of the things being said by the cult leader is yes a disclaimer against lawsuits but also an attempt to make excuses so people will cut them a brake and stay. The cat is out of the bag though and thousands are leaving with very few to replace them the cult leaders are worried!