Posts by LevelThePlayingField

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Help me spread the word. Local TV station looking for abuse survivors willing to share story. Deep South Texas area

by StarTrekAngel in

you all may recall a recent news article i posted.

it was about a bus driver who abused several school children.

while the news never really dived into his personal life, i did mention here that he is a well known elder to the hall i used to attend.. two new charges have been brought against him and now the bail is up to $420,000.

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It seems like these JW child abuse news stories are coming out weekly.

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144000 The numbers don't add up

by LevelThePlayingField in

in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

(proclaimers book page 717).

according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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In 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the Memorial and 52,465 partook. (Proclaimers book page 717). According to the Bible Teach book on page 78, it says, “Since the days of the apostles, God has been selecting faithful Christians in order to complete the number 144,000”. So using that logic that since the days of the apostles till now, there can only be 144,000 max then, according to Acts 2:41 at Pentecost, “about 3000 people were added”. And Acts 4:4 says, “many of those who had listened to the speech believed, and the number of the men became about 5,000”. So that’s 8,000 just with in the first few years of the apostles.

So, 144,000 minus the 52,465 who partook in 1935 brings us to 91,535.

The 91,535 minus the 8,000 from the first few years of the apostles = 83,535.

Of those alive in 1935 who partook, let’s say they were all 10 years of age or older. So then, if everyone who partook in 1935 was only 10 years old, they would be 82 years old now. But the far majority were much older. So nearly all of those who partook in 1935 are now dead.

In 2017 there were 18,564 partakers. In fashion with JW theology, let’s just count half of them. That’s 9,282. So, the remaining 83,535 minus those currently partaking 9,282 = 74,253. That’s over half of the 144,000 taken up already.

That leaves only 74,253 total people who could have accepted Christ and became Christians since the days of the apostles. From the year 34 C.E. to 2017 is 1,983 years. That equates to only 37 people earthwide per year who became Christians since the days of the apostles until 2017.

There were about 200 million people alive on earth in the first century. Using the equation of an equal amount converting per year, that’s 37 people being converted to Christianity per year. That would mean of the 200 million people alive in the first century only 370 people would find Christ during the next 10 years. This doesn’t make any sense, when there were 8,000 who converted around Pentecost of 33 C.E. alone.

Let’s say that was a one time thing, and that after that only and only a tiny fraction of just 1% of that number became believers every year. That would be 80 being added per year, and that’s not counting, as the Bible says, the many who were being added daily. 80 per year for 1,986 years is 158,880. Add that to the 74,253 already spoken for and you have 233,133. And that’s saying that from 33 C.E. onward, the number of those who become Christians will be down by 99% of the Biblical accounts.

(200 million alive in 1st century. Source:)

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-life-was-like-in-the-first-century-2011-11

(John 12:42) All the same, many even of the rulers actually put faith in him, but they would not acknowledge him because of the Pharisees, so that they would not be expelled from the synagogue;

(Acts 2:41) 41 So those who gladly accepted his word were baptized, and on that day about 3,000 people were added.

(Acts 5:14) 14 More than that, believers in the Lord kept on being added, great numbers both of men and of women.

(Acts 6:7) 7 Consequently, the word of God continued to spread, and the number of the disciples kept multiplying very much in Jerusalem; and a large crowd of priests began to be obedient to the faith.

(Acts 2:47) 47 praising God and finding favor with all the people. At the same time Jehovah continued to add to them daily those being saved.

(Acts 11:21) Furthermore, the hand of Jehovah was with them, and a great number became believers and turned to the Lord.

(Acts 11:24) 24 for he was a good man and full of holy spirit and faith. And a considerable crowd was added to the Lord.

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CO asked for everyone 20 years old & younger for a group photo

by LevelThePlayingField in

there was a co visit in ohio a couple weeks ago.

when he was finishing up his sunday talk he said that he would like if "all the children that are from this congregation, not if you're just visiting, but from this congregation to come on up on the stage right after the meeting because i want to get a picture of you.".

i thought to myself, why?

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Ok, well, many of you have given your feedback as to perhaps why the CO has taken pictures of the young ones. At any rate, and for hope in the best, maybe it's just an innocent thing. I hope so anyways. Thanks.

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CO asked for everyone 20 years old & younger for a group photo

by LevelThePlayingField in

there was a co visit in ohio a couple weeks ago.

when he was finishing up his sunday talk he said that he would like if "all the children that are from this congregation, not if you're just visiting, but from this congregation to come on up on the stage right after the meeting because i want to get a picture of you.".

i thought to myself, why?

LevelThePlayingField

There was a CO visit in Ohio a couple weeks ago. When he was finishing up his Sunday talk he said that he would like if "all the children that are from this congregation, not if you're just visiting, but from this congregation to come on up on the stage right after the meeting because I want to get a picture of you."

I thought to myself, WHY? Why would he want a picture of everyone who is 20 and younger?

Has anyone else had this happen in their hall? What could he possibly want with it?

Bizarre.

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Dog peeing on a literature cart

by Bad_Wolf in

look at the dogs face, i can't stop laughing at this!!

and he's peeing right into the holder part of the literature, so they are going to have manually wash that out haha.

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I've fallen off my chair rolling in the laughter. Now that's all your fault. Darn that Dog.

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Older Watchtowers and Awakes added on jw.org Online library

by AuntBee in

wt back to 1950, aw back to 1970, like the cd rom library... .

why?

lol.

LevelThePlayingField

If WT ever did actually change some of the things from the past online to make it seem like they never said that, I bet you the average JW would believe only what's on line, even if you showed it to them in print.

Or they would say, yeah, but they HAD to change it because that's old light now, or that was the old understanding, so that's why they've updated the new one.

WTF!

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Help me with the disfellowshipping topic, how is it NOT scriptural

by LevelThePlayingField in

many have said that jesus never shunned anyone.

yet it seems that the apostle paul said to shun an unrepentant sinner, "stop keeping company" and "not even eating with such a man" 1co 5:9-12. it seems like shunning is what paul wanted us to do.

but honestly, it doesn't seem right to me.

LevelThePlayingField

I need your help. Many have said that Jesus never shunned anyone. Yet it seems that the Apostle Paul said to shun an unrepentant sinner, "stop keeping company" and "not even eating with such a man" 1Co 5:9-12. It seems like shunning is what Paul wanted us to do. But honestly, it doesn't seem right to me.

So how do you know that shunning is not God's way, for those of you who still believe. How, from a biblical stand point do you reconcile this?

Cofty, if you could respond to this as well, I would much like to hear what you have to say, as I respect your in depth knowledge.

Any help would be appreciated. I have learned that the truth does not come from Jehovah's Witnesses. So I am open to what you have to say.

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Lies from the watchtower

by StephaneLaliberte in

i am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.

1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .

"rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

LevelThePlayingField

Oh, here's another. From Nov 2017

source: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-42025255

After many had come forward and said they were strongly discouraged from going to the police for child sex abuse, the org said,

"The organisation said it did not "shield" abusers and any suggestion of a cover-up was "absolutely false".

Must be apostate driven lies. Wonder what God they serve? The God of the lie maybe

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Lies from the watchtower

by StephaneLaliberte in

i am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.

1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .

"rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

LevelThePlayingField

Here's one that is right up to date. It's on their shitty website at jw.borg.

From the frequently asked questions part under Membership:

What if a person no longer preaches or attends your meetings? Do you view that person as having resigned?

No, we do not. Resigning, or disassociating oneself, is different from becoming weak in faith. Often, those who for a time slow down or stop in their worship have not abandoned their faith but are suffering from discouragement. Rather than shunning such ones, we try to give them consolation and support. (1 Thessalonians 5:14; Jude 22) If the person wants help, congregation elders take the lead in providing spiritual assistance.—Galatians 6:1; 1 Peter 5:1-3.

However, the elders are not authorized to coerce or pressure someone to remain as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Each person makes his own choice regarding religion. (Joshua 24:15) We believe that those who worship God must do so willingly, from the heart.—Psalm 110:3;Matthew 22:37.

Now we all know that this information is pretty close to out right lying because if you stop attending meetings and stop going out in service, you WILL be shunned, it's only a matter of time.

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PIMO: Your help needed! (Field Service Groups video evidence)

by Fay Dehr in

calling all who are still "in": i need your help!.

i’m putting together a damming video with evidence of jehovah’s witnesses “organizing” the collection of data in field service – data about when people were not at home, if a child answered the door and so on.

since a leaked letter dated 2-aug-2017, where elders were instructed to destroy all house-to-house records and not tell publishers how to collect data about people not-at-home, we know that the practise has continued.. how you can help.

LevelThePlayingField

All this data stuff bouncing around these types of sites is getting pretty interesting. Poor old Watchtower, gotta watch their backs even more now.