Consider the reality of evil in many parts of politics, entertainment ... Devil worshippers and mediums give the proof of the existence of a supernatural world. Even if the faith based person might not have things moving around or other very tangible phenomenons, the fact that the anointing gives power to overcome the flesh is a great mystery both to those who live it and those who see it too. I am pro-God with every fibre of myself. Its mainly religions fault that people turn away from the idea that there is a good and loving God above us. I can assure you, there is! But in no way he imposes himself on us. Its a free choice to reach out for him.
Patrick45
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Survey: Who Here Believe In God/The Bible? Who Are Not Sure? Who Do Not Believe?
by minimus ini think there are many that still want to believe in a god but just aren't sure.. personally, do you believe in a god?.
are you a "spiritual" person?.
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Are we rebelling like Korah, against God's appointed GB? A super simple question to backfire that accusation
by EndofMysteries inthe next time or if that ever gets brought up, that leaving the organization is following the rebelliousness of korah, since the wt likes to have that in one of the magazines every 2 to 3 months, ask this...... okay, i understand the concern on leaving god's appointed and rebelling against them.
let me ask this, was moses inspired?
was the apostle paul inspired?
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Patrick45
Yahweh was not dictating every single word to Moses. He was anointed and therefore got a better disposition to do the right things and to make sound judgments. (Without knocking out his own will off course as his water out of rock mistake shows).
Jesus was sticking closely to his father because his mission was of such great importance. He was anointed too.
This anointing with holy spirit also opens the way to perform the works of the spirit to Christians. You become a new creation thereby. (again without knocking out your free will, but rather giving you the freedom to chose the right actions rather than the wrong ones. Those in the flesh mainly dont have this free choice, as they cant overcome the fleshly adamic spirit inherent to depraved mankind)
Sticking with anointed sisters and brothers of Christ is the right thing to do, while being on the way of becoming adopted by father into this new life. At no point there is coercion. Its just gaining the ability to perform the things prepared for the holy ones.
Whoever bears the fruit is connected to Jesus. Some JW are children of God, as well as some in other denominations. I have seen some here and some there.
I personally would switch to the argument that the different kind of Good News preached by the WT (Gal 1) puts them outside of the true flock of Jesus Christ. Matth 23 seems applicable. Being false prophets also invalidates their claim of authority. There is lots more.
God bless
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Patrick45
Fantastic situation! They are in your house and they have to listen to you if you talk in YOUR HOUSE! If it's on charge of apostasy best thing to do would be to tell them that you realy love them as a person, and that you forgive them their sin of ignoring you. How great it would be to sit down and read bible verses and "think aloud" maybe some parts of Matth 23 or 1Kor15. or maybe the story of the great crowd serving God in his "divine habitation" as per the WT interlinear. Singing praises to Jah in the house would be a fantastic thing, no?
They have the idea that everyone is spiritually dead outside of the org, Well I am not! I can tell you that I was never closer to God and Jesus being outside of the org! It s a tougher way but hey, doesnt the bible say something about a narrow way and the fact that the true followers of Christ would be thrown out of the congs and most would believe this was a service to God?
Cheer up. If you need christian fellowship, look around you, there are plenty of groups out there where true christians are to be found. Not many but some for sure.
God bless you.
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When does WT have time to praise God?
by DS211 inive increasingly noticed the amount of time devoted to trying to convince others why wt and jws are the "truth" and how christ appointed them instead of just praise and worship to god.
even the songs that are sung at meetings--many of them talk about listenng obeying and being blessed, and how god gave us gifts in men, etc.
and have reached even the thoughts and speech patterns of those who add "and his earthly organization" at the end of their sentences.
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Its a fear-based cult. No time and energy and no FREEDOM to praise God. Halleluyah! I wonder at what stage the jewish establishment in Jerusalem grasped that they had been tossed by Yahweh. Probably at 70ad when the Romans killed most of them.
Pride is a forteress that will fall at its proper time. They are soooo self-content and confident.
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Circuit Overseer who gave talk at Twickenham is DIsfellowshipped
by usualusername inevening.
i have it from 1st hand (or second) that a circuit overseer who gave a talk at twickenham in august 2013 has been disfellowshipped.. .
my dilemma?
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the annointed- let me get this straight
by nowwhat? inso there are roughly 12,000 "annointed" here on earth right now.
even though they are christ's brothers and the new testament was written just for them, they have no say on how "jehovah's organazation" is run and the the things taught.
makes sense to me!!!
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Marriage In The New World
by Cold Steel inokay, here's the issue.
some people, even some jws, believe that in the new world they will be reunited with their spouses.
jesus, however, said that in the resurrection there would be no marriage or giving in marriage.
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Consider this part of Luke's rendering :"but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead".
How could one be counted worthy of gaining a resurrection if everybody is going to be raised to everlasting life?
Jesus emphasized on many occasions that the ones who have faith in him will be raised by him on the last day. (John 6 eg.)
So the often proclaimed general resurrection to life might not be as general as it seems. Look, if those killed at Harmageddon or during the flood have no hope and it is said in general that the path leading to life is narrow and just a few find it, it becomes clear that only those who are part of the first resurrection are to be called blessed (Rev 20).
The second resurrection will be a judgemental one as is clearly shown in Rev20. If you countercheck who will have access to the trees of life (Rev 22:14) it becomes obvious that only those who have washed their robes in the blood of the lamb have access to the trees of life.
As per Gen 3: "and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:" eating from this fruit means eternal life.
Even if there might be a second chance resurrection here on earth (which I strongly doubt as per Heb 9:27 and parallel texts), this would in no way be a resurrection unto life but just a second chance to accept the son and doughtership of God out of the lost descendance of Adam and Eve.
Also consider the text in Eph 2 "
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ." How could one be without hope, when there is a general resurrection? The path to life is narrow! God bless
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What Happens at Judicial Committee Meeting on Apostasy
by passwordprotected inthis was a famous case here in the uk, based around the experiences of matt barrie (aka hobo ken).
we've uploaded the audio recording of his judicial committee meeting with the glasgow bishopbriggs congregation elders and you can listen/download the (long) unedited file here:.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k1pajlf7duc5zgh/matt%20judicial%20raw.mp3.
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Patrick45
I guess it always ends the same way. "Do you recognize the FDS as being the only channel of communication between God and men in these last days?" Channel of communication is a joke by itself. I would like to know what Jehovah has said to them and how they know that it was a revelation from God and not one from an abusive spirit.
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Jan 2014 WT study - more vomit
by EndofMysteries inarticles such at "100 years of kingdom rule" in which jehovah has 'in a sense' begun ruling as king, and jesus in a sense was made king.
even though the kingdom hasn't actually come.
it's not clear if the 1,000 year reign has began or not, if so only 900 years left of jesus rule?
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Patrick45
Check out page 5 picture number 2. What's that pic on the bible held by the JW? Strange. Imo a subliminal image of the lesser grave sort.
As to the more offensive subliminal images like the one on the 2011 memorial invitation, these indicate to me that the WT had its Matth 4:8,9 moment and it looks like they failed the test and bowed down to satan and therefore were granted richness and power over a nation in this world.
1.Tim4:1 "Now, the Spirit speaketh expressly that, in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of demons,"
The org " is become the habitation of demons and the hold of every foul spirit...for all the nations have drunk of the wine" and are labeled part of Babylon the Great.
Members are abused and many burdens are put on their shoulders and they are hindered on their way into the kingdom of God. Matth. 23.13 seems applicable: "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."
Unfortunately many many people are caught in this cult and are led astray by adopting work-based faith coupled with woreshipping self appointed men.
In a certain way 2.Kor 4 describes their situation. In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2.Kor 4:4
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"Growing to perfection"
by DS211 inok i know ive been starting threads like a maniac but heres one.
where in the heck d they get the "when we survive armageddon we will probably have to start rebuilding while we resurrect ones, teach them, plant food, clean the planet, and grow to perfection"????
doesnt the scripture say that we die corrupted but raised an incorruptible body?
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There is this remarcable image of being left behind when Christ returns. And those left behind are not saved in any way.
Now consider the final verses of Rev CH21. Isn't it said that even throughout the Millenium, the doors of New Jerusalem will stay wide open? Rev 22:14 and 15 shows that you have to get there to gain access to the tree of life. Outside of NJ is nothing good to be found (V15) WAKE UP ITS IMPORTANT!
Now consider what the return of Satan to this world will do. It says that he will go out to gather GOG AND MAGOG. Yes that´s what the JW Bible says too. So those who the WT pretends have atteined human perfection are called Gog and Magog here. Astounding, no?
Now it becomes utterly (horribly) clear, that JW teach a false gospel. You have to be born again to see the kingdom of God. There is no way around this. Without access to the trees of life, one will be out of the boundaries of the "promised land". We have to be adopted out of the children of Adam to become spirit-begotten children of God. Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God (or incorruptibility as DS correctly pointed out!)
JW s need help, they need it so direly. Those who believe they see, albeit being blind, are in a very bad position.
God bless