Posts by cookiemaster

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Fake Reporting, Growth and Crap Blessings

by cookiemaster in

i think the numbers shown in the yearbook and with other occasions that are used by the gibberish buddies to boast about the blessings from jehovah are super fake and inflated, much of it even without their knowledge.

i think they like to take advantage of all sorts of technicalities and loopholes to report numbers as great as possible, but it's not like jws are super reliable sources of reporting.for example i have not been in field circus for something like two years.

i never talked about "the truth" with any non-jw, yet i've never been considered inactive.

cookiemaster

CultBGone - I couldn't agree more. It really is just like the media of today, which likes to fudge numbers and basically claim whatever they want. The GB has mastered this art. I think there are tens of ways to jack up the numbers, and they don't hesitate to use them. The thing is that the org might be much more weakened than we think it is.
ONightDivine - LOL, that's a good one. They're very resourceful like that, in finding effort free ways to claim to have done much more than in reality. I remember this special pioneer friend that used to make me drive his car for an hour to a remote town. Go to three houses and say it's already very late and we should return. Again, one hour drive back. All that time was reported. We maybe did 15-30 minutes of actual witnessing, but the report card said two and a half hours.

Dissonant 15 - Yes, the yearbooks seem very inaccurate. I think literature numbers can be just as easily fudged because they don't bother to do much tracking. As long as you don't report outrageous numbers, like 500 magazines or something, it's fine. About my blood experience, it was really horrifying. One of the most horrifying things I've been through in my life. You know, I was just like you. I've worried about it before in the past because of my parents. But they were both healthy and I thought what are the chances of happening to me. Then, all of the sudden and quite unexpectedly, it did. And I felt to helpless because my mother had her mind taken over by this blood doctrine and I couldn't bring her to reason. She didn't have a serious condition as it was easily treatable, but without a transfusion she would've died, and it would all be for nothing. I remember being at the hospital. The doctor told me she has just hours left to live without a transfusion. My only chance to save her was to convince her to take the transfusion. Her life hung in the balance of my persuasion. It was a nightmare. Medical care is confidential here too. The elders found out because a brother from the blood committee just busted his way in her room in the ICU right when she was getting a transfusion. Then, she told everyone. And the damn elders insisted to meet with her to disfellowship her right after she came from the hospital. It was very disrespectful and intrusive. They acted very much like assholes, without any respect or consideration for the trauma we've all been through.

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Fake Reporting, Growth and Crap Blessings

by cookiemaster in

i think the numbers shown in the yearbook and with other occasions that are used by the gibberish buddies to boast about the blessings from jehovah are super fake and inflated, much of it even without their knowledge.

i think they like to take advantage of all sorts of technicalities and loopholes to report numbers as great as possible, but it's not like jws are super reliable sources of reporting.for example i have not been in field circus for something like two years.

i never talked about "the truth" with any non-jw, yet i've never been considered inactive.

cookiemaster

I think the numbers shown in the Yearbook and with other occasions that are used by the Gibberish Buddies to boast about the blessings from Jehovah are super fake and inflated, much of it even without their knowledge. I think they like to take advantage of all sorts of technicalities and loopholes to report numbers as great as possible, but it's not like JWs are super reliable sources of reporting.

For example I have not been in field circus for something like two years. I never talked about "the truth" with any non-JW, yet I've never been considered inactive. How is that possible, you might ask? Well, at first I reported fake time just to not upset my parents by being declared inactive. They knew I never went in service but still reported time but never said anything. Later, I expressed doubts about JWs, and now finally I got to the point where I told them I think the entire religion is bullshit after I barely managed to convince my mom to accept a blood transfusion to save her life.

They have their doubts too. My mother is disfellowshipped for accepting the transfusion but hopes to get back into the cult especially due to the social aspect. All their friends and family are JWs and even though both my parents have doubts about the cult, and my mother is disfellowshipped, they choose to stay in. Anyway, the funny thing is that I still never go to field service, never talk to anyone or give away magazines. I don't even talk to the elders. I never answer when they call and haven't been to the hall in half a year. Still, when elders call my father and even though I didn't ask him to, he reports time for me. And not just an hour, but something like 7-10 hours and numerous magazines. He does the same for himself, even though he doesn't go in field service either.

But I wonder just how many others do that too. I personally knew some. I mean, JWs like to brag about the billions of field service hours, but I wonder how much of that is fake reporting or hours spent wasting time. And they brag about publisher numbers and incredible growth, but how many of those are reporting time just not to be considered inactive or only spend a couple of hours in service for the sake of appearances? To me it seems like most of the bragging about blessings based on numbers is nonsense.

They brag about record Memorial attendance numbers, even though having all those people there doesn't achieve shit. Same with the billions of hours, most spent wasting time. Same with the millions of magazines that no one actually reads. And most of their growth in numbers comes from developing countries with large, poor, uneducated populations that are easily attracted to cults. If you look beneath the surface and start analyzing things in detail, I bet things are not so great for the cult as the GB tries to make it about to be.

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Nearly Killing My Mother Wasn't Enough !

by cookiemaster in

as some of you might have read last week, my mother had extremely low hemoglobin and without it, she would have died.

i have somehow managed to bring her to reason and accept the transfusion.

it saved her life.

cookiemaster

Thank you everyone for your kind words and for the advice. It was indeed my mother's house and she didn't want to kick them out. I wasn't there anyway, on purpose, because I knew I'd get to angry with them, I'd just kick them out. If it were up to me, I would have denied everything. After all, they don't have access to medical records. Sadly, my mother confessed right from the day she got the transfusion. She's still under the cult's mind spell and thought she was doing the right thing by admitting it. I will most definitely seek to take legal action. I will also take all legal measures possible against this cult. Including bad publicity on the media. Using social media. Posters informing people of the dangers they pose. I will make sure everyone in this area finds out my mother's story and how they almost made her die for their stupid little beliefs. By the time I'm done with them, no sane person will even want to carry a conversation with the members of this cult.

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Nearly Killing My Mother Wasn't Enough !

by cookiemaster in

as some of you might have read last week, my mother had extremely low hemoglobin and without it, she would have died.

i have somehow managed to bring her to reason and accept the transfusion.

it saved her life.

cookiemaster

As some of you might have read last week, my mother had extremely low hemoglobin and without it, she would have died. I have somehow managed to bring her to reason and accept the transfusion. It saved her life. Just a week before she was in the ICU and now she's at home, living a normal life, her condition being easily treatable.

Of course, she's still weakened and needs time to recover. But how did the bloody elders respond to this situation? Without any regard or consideration, they called her the day after she got out of the hospital and absolutely insisted to meet her. She said she still feels bad and needs some time to recover. But no, they absolutely insisted that they will come on Saturday to talk to her. Without showing any consideration for her health, these bastards told her directly that by receiving a blood transfusion she disassociated from the borg and that they will announce at the KH at the next meeting at she's no longer a JW.

This is just after she measured her BP in front of them and it was 180/90. The miserable bastards could have killed her. Of course, she was upset and cried for a few minutes. But, later in the day she seemed to not be that upset anymore. I think she's just happy to be alive. The elders said they wanted to talk to me too, as they believe I was the one to convince my mother to receive a transfusion. I refused to talk to them because honestly it would make me so mad that I would probably just yell and curse at the bastards and I'd get disfellowshipped too, which would only upset my mother even more. I'd like to avoid that, considering her current state. The last thing she needs is more sorrow.

The funny thing is, they didn't give a shit about her after they initially bullied her into signing the papers refusing blood. They just went on with their lives, not caring that she was about to die. They refused to help us raise money to buy her the expensive alternative treatments, saying it's the family responsibility. Honestly, I can't even begin to express how perversely they behaved. They pressured her into choosing death, and when that didn't work they were dissapointed and came to punish her. What a morally filthy death cult.

After the elders left, I read to both my parents all the reasons why the JW blood doctrine is illogical and false from JW Facts. They both admitted to have never understood the reasoning behind it, saying that "the brothers who came up with this doctrine probably have good intentions but it doesn't make sense that God would punish you for saving your life. The verses talking about blood clearly didn't refer to transfusions".

With my mother being effectively excommunicated, I don't know if it's a good thing or not. I've always dreamed of getting my parents out of this cult. But I hate how much pain it causes to my mother and I'm afraid that in a few months/years she'll be back in. I was thinking of calling the elders and threatening them with suing them if they announce that my mother is no longer a JW. I thought about creating a media campaign against JWs. I don't want to see my mother following their orders. Why follow their terms. But doing any of these things would probably just upset my mother, and she doesn't need that in her state. So, I don't know what to do for now. But I surely despise this death cult like never before.

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Something odd about how Watchtower portrays prayer versus how JWs actually pray.

by Island Man in

watchtower literature often depicts individuals praying with their hands clasped together or kneeling on the ground in their bedroom.. but i don't recall ever seeing a jw praying like that.

i have never seen a jw praying in a kneeling position or with hands clasped together.

have you?.

cookiemaster

Wow, I didn't know that such great difference exists. Most of you are probably North Americans. Here in Romania almost everyone prays with their hands clasped. Nobody kneals though. It's also not uncommon to see spouses or other family members holding hands during prayer.

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JWs nearly killed my mother

by cookiemaster in

the past week has been hell for me.

my mother started feeling ill and we went to seek medical assistance.

we live in the mountains and the nearest large hospital is about 150 kms away.

cookiemaster

That's an excellent idea Bonsai. Thank you for it! I'll make sure their conversation is recorded.

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JWs nearly killed my mother

by cookiemaster in

the past week has been hell for me.

my mother started feeling ill and we went to seek medical assistance.

we live in the mountains and the nearest large hospital is about 150 kms away.

cookiemaster

Sorry for not being able to reply earlier. My mother just arrived home from the hospital. She is feeling better than ever and is back to normal life. The doctors found she has pernicious anemia, which can be easily treated and held under control with regular vitamin B12 shots. Our non-JW nurse neighbor is administering the treatment. All is going well so far. The elders called today about meeting her. I think they want to disfellowship her or something. But she says she's prepared for that. She told me that she knows what to say to them and is not afraid of the consequences. She told me that she doesn't care about the judgement of men. She believes only a higher being can do that. I'm suggesting her books to read, that might help wake her up. Thank you everyone so much about your kind words and support! Know that yet another person is going against the governing body's teachings.

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JWs nearly killed my mother

by cookiemaster in

the past week has been hell for me.

my mother started feeling ill and we went to seek medical assistance.

we live in the mountains and the nearest large hospital is about 150 kms away.

cookiemaster

Thanks Steve for your kind words. I was lucky enough that I was the one who's number the doctors had (not my father's) and that other JWs weren't there. If they were, I don't know I could have convinced her. She could be dead right now. She told me to call the committee for refusing blood (or whatever they're called), the elders, my father, her JW friends. I refused to do that. It was just me and her, talking it out. I told her to think of me too, not just at what they think, or what God thinks of her. She wanted to live so bad, but her brainwashing was preventing her from signing the paper. It was like an inner struggle was going on inside her. A fight between the desire to live and the cult's brainwashing. Fortunately, she chose life. I don't think I've ever been through such a tense moment in my life. I knew that my ability to persuade her about going against cult brainwashing was her only hope at life. I hope I'll never have to go through that again.

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JWs nearly killed my mother

by cookiemaster in

the past week has been hell for me.

my mother started feeling ill and we went to seek medical assistance.

we live in the mountains and the nearest large hospital is about 150 kms away.

cookiemaster

Thank you everyone for your kind words! My mother has already let every JW that contacted her that she had a blood transfusion. She didn't even seem that sad about it. Just said she hopes Jehovah will forgive her. She also let everyone she knows that the JWs were going to let her die. Called that elder who said she was our problem and gave him a scolding too. She's quite pissed at the "brothers and sisters". They all seemed to take her possible death extremely casually and didn't really offer any support. I guess that shows who her true friends are. I hope this was an eye opening experience for her on the nature of this cult. Hopefully she'll recover and all will end well. Needless to say that those elders are any other JWs are not welcome even in the vicinity of my house. Few people realize how dangerous this cult can be. My mother left her family when she was 20 for the JWs. She spent her entire youth as a pioneer in the communist regime, risking imprisonment and abuse. She then was disfellowshipped for two years after standing up to unjust elders that abused everyone. Then, after being reinstated, she pioneered again. She put her entire hope in them. Because of them, she has no pension and relies on me financially. She sacrificed her entire life for them and lost everything. The only thing she had left was her life, and they wanted to take that too. This should truly make the news, as Mrs. Flipper said. So that everyone in the world will know just to what how dangerous and life ruining this cult can be.

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JWs nearly killed my mother

by cookiemaster in

the past week has been hell for me.

my mother started feeling ill and we went to seek medical assistance.

we live in the mountains and the nearest large hospital is about 150 kms away.

cookiemaster

The past week has been hell for me. My mother started feeling ill and we went to seek medical assistance. We live in the mountains and the nearest large hospital is about 150 kms away. They took her in for tests and I left for home, thinking that it probably wasn't anything too serious. It turns out she had an extremely severe anemia, with a hemoglobin level of 4.2.

They transferred her to another hospital to receive emergency medical care. Clearly, the only effective treatment was having blood transfusions. Of course, she denied. I didn't even know that at the time. She didn't call me first but an elder who immediately took my father and went to the hospital to make her give a statement that she will refuse any blood transfusion. Eventually, I found out the next day. She said there are other alternatives available, like erythropoietin. The problem was the hospital didn't have any and procuring it and using it for treatment was expensive. I told her to take the transfusion. She refused.

I told my father to talk to the elders to help us financially to procure any substance or treatment that would help her. I thought maybe the congregation could donate money for her. Three elders came to the house the next day and read us some bible verses stating that one should care for their family and told us that it's not their responsibility to help. They said the organization's policy is not to help those in need of medical assistance because that's the job of their family and that they're sure Jokehova will offer us some of his magic help from the sky.

Of course, I was very pissed at these shitheads. Not only did they convince my mother to sign away her life, but now they wouldn't even help finding other ways to save her. I went to visit her at the hospital and told her all about it. A few hours later I got a call from her doctor. She said my mother was dying and that I should come to the hospital immediately. In a few minutes I was there. She was having severe tachycardia and the doctor said her heart was failing due to lack of blood. Her hemoglobin was now at 3.8 and kept falling. I told her to give her a transfusion. She said she isn't legally allowed to because of the previous written statement that she won't accept such treatment, and that she can't risk going to jail and being sued by the cult. I asked about erythropoietin. The doctor said it will take a lot of time to work, time which my mother doesn't have.

I spent the following 4 hours next to my mother crying and begging her to choose life over death. My best friend and about 10 other doctors were there too. They all told her to not die for this stupid cult. She was afraid of what other JWs will think if she accepts a transfusion. She told me that she leaves the decision with me. But the doctors said that they're legally required to have a written statement from her saying that she changed her mind and will accept blood. I told her that her "brothers and sisters" have forsaken her and that this death cult will let her die. With desperate work of convincing, she eventually signed the statement.

They gave her blood immediately. The next day she looked like a completely different person. She now had a hemoglobin of 8.2. The doctors say it's a miracle she didn't die with such a low level of hemoglobin that she had. Since then, she's been getting transfusions every day and has now returned to a normal level of hemoglobin. Investigations have shown that she has pernicious anemia, which can be easily treated and kept under control. The doctor say she'll be out of the hospital by next week.

So this fuckin' cult almost killed my mother for nothing. I've never felt more disgusted and hateful toward this cult. The only thing I want when I see them is to spit in their faces. Many JWs have visited her and they all are disappointed she didn't die like a martyr. My JW father had a party at our house the day after he found out my mother was dying (no joke). Now that fucker is mighty disappointed too. Sorry for my language but I just despise them all. And you don't want to hear what the doctors think of the JW cult. They're have anger, contempt, disgust, everything of the worst kind of feelings for them. And well deserved. So this is the story of how my mother almost died from a freaking easily treatable anemia because of this shitty cult. Stay away people! Stay away! I will let every non-JW know what a death cult this is.