Posts by cookiemaster

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Is the Russian action in the Crimea prophetic gold for the GB?

by konceptual99 in

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so chatter on the net and in coffee shops suggests lots of speculation about the re-emergence of russia as the king of the north.

does this political situation give the gb a golden opportunity to simply let speculation about prophecy fly and keep people distracted from the fact that nothing they have prophecied has actually come true?.

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cookiemaster

Yeah it does. My parents, and other of their old paranoid JW friends, can't wait to hear news like this. They're just so excited right now. In their mind it's a sure thing the big A is coming right now. And don't get me started on the whole UN criticizing the Vatican thing. That made a lot of waves.

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Free Will - What a Joke !

by cookiemaster in

everytime i hear jw's talking about free will, i either feel the urge to burst in laughter or feel sick.

each publication keeps talking about how wonderful jokehova is for giving us free will.

the only small thing is that he'll kill you if you don't do exactly what he says.

cookiemaster

Yadda, as I've said, I've chosen my words poorly as English is far from being my first language, so even though it might have seemed that I was trying to make a big philosophical statement, in reality as was trying to refer more to big life choices in general. Furthermore, I now realize that I was also very confused since in my native language, the term WT magazines use is more of what you would define as freedom to make a choice, not free will as defined in the English language. Actually, in my native language there isn't even a word to define free will. Anyway, apologies in case I've offended you.

HayDay, I find myself in complete agreement with your views. I couldn't have put it better myself. I wonder what would happen if science would advance to the point where immortality is possible for humans. Anyway, congratulations ! I love how eloquently you've put it.

Frazzled, that's exactly why I was bothered so much. The whole thing reeks of Orwelian speak but all jdubs seem to be blind to it. I doubt they even heard of a "worldy" author such as George Orwell.

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War over preparing for WT study

by cookiemaster in

i know that title sounds weird but so is this situation.

with the following information i'm about to desconspire myself a little bit, but i don't really care since i will simply deny it if any of my elders are lurking here.

anyway the situation is the following.

cookiemaster

Keynumber thanks for the advice, it's really sound.

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Free Will - What a Joke !

by cookiemaster in

everytime i hear jw's talking about free will, i either feel the urge to burst in laughter or feel sick.

each publication keeps talking about how wonderful jokehova is for giving us free will.

the only small thing is that he'll kill you if you don't do exactly what he says.

cookiemaster

English is my second language and I probably didn't express myself correctly so some of you didn't get what I was trying to say. Yadda Yadda I wasn't refering to absolute free will. I was also not trying to get into a philosophical discussion on the nature of freedom. With a poor choice of words I was merely refering to normal life choices. Jokehova(God) , according to JW's and many other Judeo-Christian religions, tries to regulate almost every single aspect of life, from trivial things like the way you dress to who you marry and socialize with. This is pure dictatorship and cannot be compared to government laws which exist only to prevent you from hurting others and infringing on their freedoms, and indeed are not black and white when it comes to freedom. It's not all black with God either, as you are allowed some choices, but it's not near to anything of amazing freedom that the WT magazines portray.

Pontoon, you got exactly what I was trying to say. Not the consequences of my own actions borther me, but the consequences imposed from the borg, God, elders and so on. The borg lays in front of its members two apparent choices, obedience or death. That's not something anyone can deny, and it is not free will. Funny how JW's use so often terms they don't even know the definition of, or give them new definitions.

Outlway, LOL, you always crack me up.

WT Wizard, I mostly agree with you.

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Free Will - What a Joke !

by cookiemaster in

everytime i hear jw's talking about free will, i either feel the urge to burst in laughter or feel sick.

each publication keeps talking about how wonderful jokehova is for giving us free will.

the only small thing is that he'll kill you if you don't do exactly what he says.

cookiemaster

Everytime I hear JW's talking about free will, I either feel the urge to burst in laughter or feel sick. Each publication keeps talking about how wonderful Jokehova is for giving us free will. The only small thing is that he'll kill you if you don't do exactly what he says. How stupid is that ? It's like puttting a gun to someone's head and then saying, go head do as you please, just know that if you don't do exactly what I say I will kill you. Well, how "loving" is that ? How "wonderfully" free God made us !

Honestly, this thing bothered me even as a child. I'm still amazed to this day how my parents study stuff like this and still don't feel even a little bit dissonant. I mean, come on ! We are either truly free to do whatever we please and live our lives accordingly or we are not free at all and God is a big dictator. How stupid can j-dubs be sitting in the kingdom hell and listening to this crap without saying one thing against it ? I don't know how they do it; probably most aren't even paying attention.

Just last week we we're studing somewhere (can't remember exactly where) how great and free life will be in the new world. Bahahhhahah, what a joke ! How wonderful that God or the "Faithful and Discrete Slave" (same thing for j-dubs), will manage to make you live an ethernity as a mental slave not being able to make your own choices. Exhilarating prospect ! I said it before and I have to say it again. It's disgusting and funny at the same time listening to them talking about how kind and great God is for creating us with free will. The only small thing is, we have to sacrifice our lives to him. What's the point of even mentioning free will then ? Cause it's clearly non-existing.

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War over preparing for WT study

by cookiemaster in

i know that title sounds weird but so is this situation.

with the following information i'm about to desconspire myself a little bit, but i don't really care since i will simply deny it if any of my elders are lurking here.

anyway the situation is the following.

cookiemaster

problemaddict - you're right, I don't have anything to lose. I live somewhere in Europe, and the local culture wouldn't necessarily aid him in his arrogance. It's just how he is. His children are traumatized. He has 2, 25 + year old daughters and doesn't even allow them to talk on the phone with brothers without his explicit approval, every time.

-Gayle I love the contribution box idea.

-Kidding Me - Love your idea also. I'll just underline the whole damn magazine and see what he says them.

-AlphaMan Maybe it is time to set some ground rules.

-Syntax Error It sure sucks and can be extremely annoying. I don't know what's their problem as long as you give the right comments during the study.

Just as an update for everyone. I'll be away on business this Sunday so it's all up to my parents and how they react. I've advised them to be calm and yet firm.

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War over preparing for WT study

by cookiemaster in

i know that title sounds weird but so is this situation.

with the following information i'm about to desconspire myself a little bit, but i don't really care since i will simply deny it if any of my elders are lurking here.

anyway the situation is the following.

cookiemaster

Hi everyone, thanks for all the responses, they're all pretty funny. He is an MS. The elders of the congo we belong to, we're supposed to come to the meetings of our group at least once a month, but in about 6 months they only came twice. One of the elders is in his early 70's and homeless, so he occasionally crashes at this MS and they're good friends.

This MS is so ridiculous that once the study lasted from 7 to 9:50 PM. I pointed to the clock and he said that we can't just waltz through the material, we have to study it in detail. Last Sunday there was a picture of two little girls and their mother while taking to the elders about Facebook. The picture also showed the girls holding the book "Questions Young People Ask" (At least that's what I think it's called in English- I not sure since we don't live in an English speaking country). This MS actually asked us what chapter from the book is featured on the illustration (it looked tiny and we couldn't tell), then we pointed out that his daughter is well prepared and told her to summarize that chapter. So we actually reached a point where we were discussing what the characters from the chapter in the book, which was pictured in the WT magazine, were doing. That's how far he goes.

Not to mention all the personal attacks pointed at me about a month ago when we studied what the WT says about college (I go to college and he hates it). I did indeed thought about recording him, and I will probably do it. Too bad it's not in English so you guys wouldn't understand it. Plus, doing this would totally reveal my identity here and I need to be careful. I'm not going to move out as some suggested because my parents completely support me in everything, and this attack is pointed more at them than at me. Plus our family owns a lot of land and I handle the family business and bring home the money. He disrespected us in our home so even if I don't want him to be kicked out, my father will still show him the door.

-Steve2 I am old enough to own a house, just this one is my father's. I'm not trying to be a "defiant child", but even since I've been a JW (since birth) I've never marked or outlined my answers, or written them and the bible verses on my WT magazine as this clown asks. Since I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it says to outline my answers on my WT magazine I won't do it. I don't see how they could disfellowship me over this. As for people being exasperated by my behavior, in reality there's only one, which is this MS. His problem is that our family refuses to do what HE says. And we never will.

-Outlaw LOL, you're always funny.

-Lisa Rose and others of similar advice, thank you, you seem very wise.

-Objective Truth Lol, I often do that and he hates it. My answers are not read from the WT magazine but are my own words entirely. I also try to use words that are outside of the usual WT cultish vocabulary. That's why I don't outline and write down my answers because I don't read them word for word but say everything in my own words and vocabulary. You can't even imagine how much it pisses him of. Once you start talking like a normal person and not a cult sheep, everyone looks funny at you.

Brother Mike & others that offer support- Thank you !

WTWizard - LOL, that's hardcore man ! Some sick ideas. I love'em ! That would cause hysteria !

Yadda and Rotten Riley - Hahhah, gay flag symbol, hilarious !

Umbertoecho - I wish I could have been there to see her face. She was probably completely panicking and didn't know how to leave faster.

NAVYTOWN - Good advice, thing is it doesn't only depend on myself but also on my parents. If they really want to kick him out and make a scene I can't stop them. Well, I could but I won't.

FactFinder - This is exactly what I hope. We live in this small town which has no JW's. If the meetings stop being held here then I'll live in a 15-20 mile area which is "WT free". I could almost live a normal life and not be bothered by anyone. That's what I want in the long term. Even if I will still theoretically be an active JW, I will live in a place free of all cult people and be normal. My father doesn't really care about any of the "spiritual" crap, my mother cares but she minds her own business. So hopefully, we won't have any WT study held here anymore and we'll be somewhat free of the cult.

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War over preparing for WT study

by cookiemaster in

i know that title sounds weird but so is this situation.

with the following information i'm about to desconspire myself a little bit, but i don't really care since i will simply deny it if any of my elders are lurking here.

anyway the situation is the following.

cookiemaster

I know that title sounds weird but so is this situation. With the following information I'm about to desconspire myself a little bit, but I don't really care since I will simply deny it if any of my elders are lurking here. Anyway the situation is the following. Due to financial trouble, our family, including myself, moved from a big city to a very small town where we owned a house. We are the only witnesses here. The nearest hall is in another town something like 20 miles away.( I can't even explain how nice it is to move from a place with something like 15 congos, the streets being filled with witnesses, to a place with no witnesses).

Living now here, with only my family being witnesses, is almost like I'm not a witness, not in a cult. It's wonderful. Anyway, 10-15 miles away in other small towns there are some other witnesses. We were instructed by the CO to form a group and have regular Sunday WT studies. These neighbouring witnesses are real nutjobs. They are extremely fanatical and hardcore. So we begin Sunday study, which is hosted at our house every week. We belong to the congo 20 miles away, so that's where we report to and the elders come from there. This has been going on for about six months now. None of us have any "privileges" other than me being assigned to read the WT every Sunday. To there's this MS that conducts the study, and he's very fanatical usually.

You should hear what pure cult crap he spits out. Anyway, even since we began hosting the study he's been picking on our family during the study because we don't have any markings on our WT magazines so it doesn't show we've prepared. (we just don't like to do it because you don't need to "prepare" to spit an obvious answer from a paragraph). The WT study takes about 2 hours with him (I kid you not, the man spends about 20 minutes just analyzing the pictures) even though it should normally last 45 minutes. He keeps telling us during the study that we should have the WT magazine answers marked, the bible verses written on the side, have the answers already written on a piece of paper and all kinds of crap. My family, myself included, refuses to do any of that. We pissed him off so now he's directly insulting us during the WT, with everyone present(at least that's what happened last Sunday). Now my parents are planning to kick him and everyone else out of the house at the next WT study, and I'm certainly going to enthusiatically participate. That will be fun to watch ! Anyway, do you think something like this will get us disfellowshipped ? I would love if we would all get disfellowshiped together (bahahahahahahahah).

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Could you imagine Anonymous targeting the WT ?

by cookiemaster in

they have picked on cults before.

they basically went to warfare with the church of scientology, so what would happen if they would pick on the wt ?

let's say they would release to the public of lot of secret documents that discredit them, or at least attack the jw.org website.

cookiemaster

I looked into the supposed attack you guys talked about and honestly I don't think that was the real Anonymous. I know that technically anyone can be anonymous, this being the entire point of Anonymous. Nevertheless, this threat and attack didn't seem to be anything near the scale of other previous major attacks on certain organizations. This leads me to believe that this was at best just a small group of anons or simply wannabes and not a full pledged attack from all members.

Also the WT might keep the nasty secrets hidden somewhere, written on real paper, and therefore be less vulnerable to online attacks. The borg tends to be quite old fashioned and cautious. Actually, when asking an elder why we wouldn't stream video of all spiritual programs online for the sick and old that can't attend, I was answered that we aren't allowed by the WT, which I found weird since we don't have anything to hide. Anyway, before this thread I wasn't aware that Anonymous, or at least a few of them, attacked the WT. What I would like to see would be a full on war, just like they carried out with Scientology.

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Could you imagine Anonymous targeting the WT ?

by cookiemaster in

they have picked on cults before.

they basically went to warfare with the church of scientology, so what would happen if they would pick on the wt ?

let's say they would release to the public of lot of secret documents that discredit them, or at least attack the jw.org website.

cookiemaster

They have picked on cults before. They basically went to warfare with the church of scientology, so what would happen if they would pick on the WT ? Let's say they would release to the public of lot of secret documents that discredit them, or at least attack the JW.org website. I think that would be interesting to see !