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  I got my mother to say animals evolved !

  by cookiemaster in

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  i wanted to share with you guys the argument i had today with my mother.

  i've been away last week in a far away city for my college exams.

  i've been staying at a friend, a jw who, just like me, is actually an atheist and doesn't believe a word the wt says and knows it's a bullshit cult but because of his family and friends he still stays in.

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  I wanted to share with you guys the argument I had today with my mother. I've been away last week in a far away city for my college exams. I've been staying at a friend, a JW who, just like me, is actually an atheist and doesn't believe a word the WT says and knows it's a bullshit cult but because of his family and friends he still stays in. He hasn't been to the KH for about three months now. So, of course we didn't go to the Sunday meeting. Instead we went to have fun with a Polish and a Hong Kong chick from our college and got drunk,lol.

  Today my mother asked if we went to the hall on Sunday. Knowing she has many friends at that Hall and she would immediately find out if I was lying I admitted that I wasnt'. She seemed a little upset about it and asked me why. I said I didn't have a suit with me and I don't like going in jeans and casual clothes at the hall because everyone would look funny at me. She asked why I haven't found a way to go, and just kept insisting. I got a little angry and said I didn't go because I don't like any of the brothers at the hall and I actually despise most for being back-stabbing snakes.

  Anyway, she makes a lot of claims about how Jokehova won't give me any blessings now, won't listen to my prayers and a lot of other illogical stuff. I said there's no proof Jokehovah currently intereferes in the world with blessings and answering prayers. That the world wouldn't make sense if he did. I asked her about all the JW's that had very bad things happen to them in field circus, coming from conventions, etc. She gets a little angry and says I have no faith and I'll get killed at Armagheddon and cites me some verses about Jah killing those who don't obey and question him.

  I then said, he must be a big dictator (we live in an ex-communist country so she understands this analogy all too well). He doesn't really give me or others a choice, he just says, do as I command or die. Of course she now gets even more angry and threatens me with physical harm if I keep talking about Jah that way(lololol). She says Jah let's us all chose whether to follow and love him or not. I told her it's about as much of a choice as putting a gun to a man's head and saying do exactly as I tell you or die. That stirred things up but as we we're arguing I could see her hesistate and actually think about what I said.

  However, she didn't give up and proceeded saying Jah is great and awesome for giving us this perfect world and that the only alternative is heading to the imoral, degraded world filled with wicked people. That the world he created originally was filled with peace and everything on Earth lived to serve and benefit humans, that it was a world without violence. Then I ask, how come there are predators? What about the animals that are absolute killing machines? Creatures that have huge claws, jaws, canines, poison, vision that tracks prey, feel blood from way away, all with the purpose of being better at killing. How can that be explained? Those creatures have their entire existence centered around hunting and killing.

  She said Jokehova didn't make them that way. He made them perfect, peaceful companions for humans. But then I asked how did they get this way? She blurted our mumbling: "Well... I don't know... Maybe they evolved or something". What? Evolved? Coming from a person who was a witness since the early 70's? I didn't continue the argument because she was hesistant to say anything and appeared to be thinking. To be honest, I never, ever questioned "the truth" in front of her before, I was just showing apathy. That's why I expected a harsh reaction. Calling the elders or something, but no. An hour later she was talking like we didn't even argue. In a good mood even.
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  The end of Watchtower in the western world ?

  by cookiemaster in

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  2. beliefs

  hey guys!

  i was just thinking, with all the new promising stem cell research and trials, many scientists predict that in a decade or two, advanced biotech will make possible to extend human lifespan considerably and soon after indefinitely.

  also, access to vast amounts of information is becoming ubiquotous throughout the world and it seems that it's increasingly harder to keep people ignorant and in the dark.

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  Hey guys! I was just thinking, with all the new promising stem cell research and trials, many scientists predict that in a decade or two, advanced biotech will make possible to extend human lifespan considerably and soon after indefinitely. Also, access to vast amounts of information is becoming ubiquotous throughout the world and it seems that it's increasingly harder to keep people ignorant and in the dark. As the world is becoming more connected and informed it's also harder to maintain the us vs. them mentality active.

  Will this mean the end of WT in the western world? Let's face it. One of the biggest selling points of religion in general, and JW's in particular, is having a way to circumvent death (generally by embracing a fantasy of a paradise, heaven, etc) . I have a scientist friend who works for one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world. He can't disclose specific details about his work, but he claims his company will be able, by the mid 2020's, to add another year of life expectancy for every year that passes with the help of targeted stem cell treatments, as well as to regrow limbs, organs and cure countless diseases. His claims are supported by numerous scientific reports.

  If aging will no longer be an issue in first world countries, I think the WT will lose a lot of followers. Plus, from what I can see, most children that grow in JW families do not become JW's themselves, or if they do, they leave in their youth. So in the western world things are becoming increasingly hard for them. As old generations die, and very few embrace the "truth", their ranks will fall. Just in my cong, from the late 90' until now the number dropped from 70 members to around 25. Most of them were old and died, and a considerable number have been abused by the elders and left.

  The only places were the borg can see growth are developing countries which are generally very dogmatic and inclined toward Christianity. Places like Brazil and other poor countries in South America, maybe some countries of Africa, SE Asia (Philippines). But even so, it don't see a bright future for the borg as information comes to all people, more and more and becoming educated and less religious. What do you guys think?

  PS: Please forgive any grammar or spelling mistakes. English is my second language.
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  WT response to artificial blood

  by cookiemaster in

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  hey guys !

  here's an interesting piece of news.

  apparently there's an israeli company out there that has managed to produce universally accepted artificial blood with the help of stem cells.

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  Hey guys ! Here's an interesting piece of news. Apparently there's an Israeli company out there that has managed to produce universally accepted artificial blood with the help of stem cells. They still need to do a little refining on the manufacturing process to make it more profitable, but they're hoping they'll be able to manufacture blood on an industrial scale sometimes soon.

  What do you think will be WT's position on this one. Will they allow JW to receive artificial blood ? This is still blood, but does not come from a living being, so using it wouldn't show disrespect to life, or some other shit reason they invoke. What do you guys think ?
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  Hypnosis and control of JW's

  by cookiemaster in

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  hey guys, what do you think about this: http://christianpeper.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/hypnotism-in-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-watchtower-2/.

  plese make abstraction of the rest of the crap on the website.

  this theory sounds pretty intriguing and it might have some degree of validity.

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  WT Wizard Thank you dear wizard ! Hahah, you're so right ! So much crap in the life of a JW. Hypnosis might be a small component, but there's a huge amout of things that make you more and more a mental slave of the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. I kinda manipulated my parents not to go to the meetings for a few months now. No field circus, no family study, no conventions, no nothing. But man, those disgusting leeches hold a tight grip.

  My mother is crying all day and is almost in a depression for longing to be with the brothers and sisters and sclaving to jokehova properly, but she still doesn't do it becase she knows deep down that nobody from the borg gives a crap about us. Oh, you should have seen the dirty looks our family got at the memorial. We chose not to spend all our money on the 200 miles away arsembly and actually pay our bills. Apparently that makes you a paria among this loving bunch.
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  Hypnosis and control of JW's

  by cookiemaster in

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  hey guys, what do you think about this: http://christianpeper.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/hypnotism-in-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-watchtower-2/.

  plese make abstraction of the rest of the crap on the website.

  this theory sounds pretty intriguing and it might have some degree of validity.

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  Hey guys, what do you think about this: http://christianpeper.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/hypnotism-in-the-jehovah%E2%80%99s-witness-watchtower-2/

  Plese make abstraction of the rest of the crap on the website. This theory sounds pretty intriguing and it might have some degree of validity.
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  Jehovah is evil

  by cookiemaster in

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  going to the meetings and hearing them say how loving is our god disgusts me.

  jehovah is actually a mass murdered.

  there's an interesting website called evilbible.com, were all god's murders are listed.

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  Thanks Cofty ! That's an awesome exercise when it comes to understanding the atrocities in the bible. I wonder why they don't this sort of thing at convention as BU2B said. And yes, Jesus did worship Jehobler or whatever his name is.

  Redvip - I think the disconnect comes from the difference in culture. The OT was written mainly by ancient Middle Eastern tribesmen and thus reflects their thinking. The NT was however written by people in a different culture in the first century AD. They were now a mix of jews and romans, culturally speaking. This different culture, had different values, thinking, social structure, etc and the NT reflects that. That's were the disconnect lies in my opinion.
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  Jehovah is evil

  by cookiemaster in

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  going to the meetings and hearing them say how loving is our god disgusts me.

  jehovah is actually a mass murdered.

  there's an interesting website called evilbible.com, were all god's murders are listed.

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  Kate, you have every right to believe that. Everyone should be allowed to make their own choices and form their own beliefs. Nevertheless, in my mind, these two go together. I want to make clear that when I'm talking about god, I'm talking about christianity's idea of god, not necessarily some unknown force or entity that might have created our universe. However, as long as there's no scientific evidence that proves the existance of such a being, I remain skeptical. Since such an entity would not meddle in Earth's affairs, I don't see why I should care about it's existence either.
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  Jehovah is evil

  by cookiemaster in

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  going to the meetings and hearing them say how loving is our god disgusts me.

  jehovah is actually a mass murdered.

  there's an interesting website called evilbible.com, were all god's murders are listed.

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  LillyC - Hi Lilly ! Welcome ! About god being the source of pure love. Well, it depends which god you are referring to. If you're talking about the god from the bible, then I have to respectfully disagree. The bible clearly states his actions, and he is without a doubt evil. I don't see how a murderer could be the source of love.
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  Jehovah is evil

  by cookiemaster in

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  going to the meetings and hearing them say how loving is our god disgusts me.

  jehovah is actually a mass murdered.

  there's an interesting website called evilbible.com, were all god's murders are listed.

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  Phizzy - I agree entirely. The bible is quite clearly a creation of ancient Middle Eastern desert tribes. The old testament so clearly reflects that.

  Vidiot - Glad I'm not alone.

  Heaven - He seems to be a warlord. But apparently, according to JW's, he hates the ones who love violence. Quite paradoxal.

  KateWild - The problem is, that the bible gave us our notion of god. Would you even considered the concept of a god that created the universe without the influence of the bible ? Why not multiple gods why even some different entity ? The people in the western culture, including you, have their concept of god from christendom and it's holy book, the bible. Without this influence it's possible that you wouldn't even have considered such a concept and found a completely different explanation. So, I think that in the western world the monotheistic concept of an all powerful, all whatever, god that created the universe was created by christendom and their bible. You can't sepparate these two.

  BU2B - Exactly ! Confirmation bias is extremely powerful in JW's.
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  Jehovah is evil

  by cookiemaster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  going to the meetings and hearing them say how loving is our god disgusts me.

  jehovah is actually a mass murdered.

  there's an interesting website called evilbible.com, were all god's murders are listed.

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  Going to the meetings and hearing them say how loving is our god disgusts me. Jehovah is actually a mass murdered. There's an interesting website called evilbible.com, were all god's murders are listed. Basically this all too loving god would put Bin Laden's crimes to shame. The bible crearly states how Jehoobla orders mass murder, rapes , pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and many more evil things.

  He kills a lot of innocent children. Furthermore, a lot of people are killed for really stupid reasons like children being brats, being curious about the ark, refusing to hit a prophet when asked to, preventing the ark from falling over and many more. He orders the Isrealites to show no mercy and kill everything in the path of their invasions, including children animals and sometimes even trees. Jokehova was sadistic from the very start. He creates a "perfect" environment, but allows the devil to roam free in it and tempt them. Also, they are held responsible for eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, BEFORE they possessed the knowledge of good and evil.

  He commands that rapists to marry the women they raped after paying some money to the father. What kind of lunatic god would make a rape victim marry her attacker? He orders that girls who aren't virgins on their wedding night to be killed with stones. Nobelievers should also be killed, people that don't listen to prophets, those working on Sabbath, etc, etc. He also doesn't apply the punishments objectively because his favorites, such as king David, are exempt from the death penalty usually imposed.

  So my question is, how can JW's, and christians in general, who brag about knowing the bible so well, claim Jeehoba is a god of love and worship him. I'm an atheist now (obciously) but even in the absurd that god would actually exist, I would refuse to worship such an evil creature. A lot of so called pagan gods seem morally superior to the judeo-christian god. So how can they not realise this ? How can anyone say god is anything but evil ? Isn't Satan better since he's not described of doing so many heinous acts ? What do you think ?