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My three days of hell summary - Part I

by cookiemaster in

well guys, i finally got back from the dc or whatever it's called nowadays.

it wasn't really as bad as i expected but still, it was pretty bad.

the first interesting thing happened on the road.

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Thank you everyone for the information. Honestly, I didn't really know any of these things about these other group. JW's here have always been so paranoid toward apostates that even the mere mention of them would get a harsh reaction. They're a completely taboo topic and every dub is led to believe that the other group is was created by Satan and directed by him to attack and destroy us. They can be very ridiculous.

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My three days of hell summary - Part I

by cookiemaster in

well guys, i finally got back from the dc or whatever it's called nowadays.

it wasn't really as bad as i expected but still, it was pretty bad.

the first interesting thing happened on the road.

cookiemaster

Well guys, I finally got back from the DC or whatever it's called nowadays. It wasn't really as bad as I expected but still, it was pretty bad. The first interesting thing happened on the road. On Thursday we left for the DC. It was a four and a half hour drive. An old JW(quite a nutter) family friend came with us. He told us to stop in a small town to visit a friend. Only before parking at his house he told us his friend and his wife one are of "the ones behind" (rough translation of the term used by JW's in Romania to describe a different faction of JW's that are the result of a schism that took place decades ago).

"The ones behind" is a group deemed as highly dangerous apostates by JW's here in Romania. Of course we aren't allowed to talk to them or have any other interaction. As tornapart asked in the previous post, I'll detail something about them. They're considered old rite JW's. For some exact reasons unknown to me, during the communist era, many decades ago(around 1975 I suspect), one of the leaders of the underground bethel operating in this country went rogue and took a significant part of the JW membership with them. They refuse any new literature from the WT and just recycle old doctrines from the old rags to create their own literature. After the fall of communism, sometime in the 90's there was a huge special convention where their leader(now very old) was officially welcomed back to the borg. He went on the stage and held a talk during which he cried repenting for the mistake he made with the schism and urging everyone that followed him to return as JW's.

Many followed him and now, 20 years later, they are only a few thousand. Pretty low compared with the 40 000 JW's in this country. They're much more traditional and refuse to dance and their women wear something on their head when in service, meetings, etc. Generally, they act like JW's, go in field service, meetings, conventions. Only, there's a huge level of mutual hostility and we aren't evem allowed to speak about them. That's why I know so little. Prior to last week I never met one and nobody would talk to me about them. They're like Voldemort from Harry Potter, even mentioning them is not allowed. They are the ones we must not even speak of.

So we park next to the house. The woman apostate comes to us and invites inside. My mother refuses to even leave the car. She insists saying it would be an insult not to. Eventually my parents cave in and go inside along with the other JW. My father was pretty chill but my mother was acting almost like she was afraid. They sat us down at a table and offered us food and drinks. While eating my mother kept whispering to me, "we're so getting disfellowshipped for this". I told her to chill and stop acting weird, they're just people like us. Then we started talking with the apostate lady and found out that both her and her husband were dying from cancer. Her father, who was living with them being very old and disabled, was one of "the ones behind" also.

This made my mother kinda feel bad for them and started being friendlier. The two of them talked and she eventually learned that the apostate lady was actually secretly studying with a group of JW's, with "the ones behind" knowing. Combining this with the fact that she was never a JW but born in the rival branch organization and my mother didn't even consider her an apostate anymore. We left with my parents in a good mood after becoming friends with this "apostate" family. Of course, none of us said a word about it since.

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Getting really for three days in hell

by cookiemaster in

hey guys, there's another thing i wanted to share with you.

i know this topic has been discussed over and over again, but it's just so fun to complain about it.

we're going to the district convention this weekend.

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Jeannette - Thank you for your nice words.

Witness My Fury - I can't put my foot down at the moment because pretty much everyone in my family are JW's, from my parents to second cousins, to many close friends, everyone is a JW. Actually, I have four close friends also JW's who don't believe a word of it, but are still in for the same reasons. Funny thing is, we kind formed a group of unbelievers at my hall. We're all in our 20's. It's like a support group. We all know it's bull, we all make fun of the moronic doctrines, we can break pretty much every rule and we don't get involved in any "spiritual" activity. Most of us report between 1-3 hours of field circus. We also know many young people like us around the district. At conventions there's at least 40-50 of us. My plan is to continue fading, help the people close to me continue in their current fading trend and then leave althogether. The elder's here wouldn't give a crap even if you didn't come to the hall for six months, so there's a good change my plan might succeed.

Frazzled - Well, you got the continent right, lol. Actually the country is Romania, the region Transylvania, you know the legendary home of vampires and stuff like that. It's generally pretty mountainous but out of hundreds of better places, they chose the absolute worst location to build the convention hall in. ( I hope this info doesn't give away who I am to any stalking elders of CO's).

BU2B - That's a brilliant idea! Why didn't I ever think of it? It'll just bring some whisky and sip through a straw like you do. Man, that would make things better!

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Getting really for three days in hell

by cookiemaster in

hey guys, there's another thing i wanted to share with you.

i know this topic has been discussed over and over again, but it's just so fun to complain about it.

we're going to the district convention this weekend.

cookiemaster

Yadda Yadda2 - Hahah, please forgive universal guardian of spelling ! I have a couple of excuses. I have a form of dyslexia, it was 2 AM and English is my second language, so don't pick on me.

The rest - I have to go because of my family. I can't make up an excusse because I'm the only one with a driver's license and that thing is in the middle of nowhere. There aren't even any busses that go there. So I have to drive them. It won't be all bad as I expect to meet an old highschool friend (also a JW and not buying the bullshit), and we'll spend the entire convention sitting next to each other and making fun of all the stupid shit the speakers say, making fun of cult propaganda and other forms of WT ridiculousness. At least I won't have to go through it alone. But if he won't come, then it will really be hell.

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I got my mother to say animals evolved !

by cookiemaster in

i wanted to share with you guys the argument i had today with my mother.

i've been away last week in a far away city for my college exams.

i've been staying at a friend, a jw who, just like me, is actually an atheist and doesn't believe a word the wt says and knows it's a bullshit cult but because of his family and friends he still stays in.

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@Bob_NC Hahah, exactly! How can this be? This invalides the WT utopia of a paradise were we cuddle with tigers and lions. Did Jehovah create animals whose entire existence is centered around violence? That doesn't seem very loving of him. Did they change on their own? If they evolved this way then what's to say that not every creature has evolved and the theory of evolution is correct? The questions go on and on and either way you take it, the WT utopian propaganda doesn't seem to make sense, even to dubs.

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Getting really for three days in hell

by cookiemaster in

hey guys, there's another thing i wanted to share with you.

i know this topic has been discussed over and over again, but it's just so fun to complain about it.

we're going to the district convention this weekend.

cookiemaster

Hey guys, there's another thing I wanted to share with you. I know this topic has been discussed over and over again, but it's just so fun to complain about it. We're going to the district convention this weekend. It's three days in absolute hell (to be pronounced at the site: "blessing from Jehovah"). A convention hall placed in a field in the middle of nowhere (gives of all huge cult compound vibe). Located in the absolute hottest region of the country. At this time often registering temperatures of around 40 degrees Celsius in the shade. But there is no shade, as during the summer is being held on the outside, so more would fit at one event. Event though the circumscription raised more than 10 million euros for the recently built assembly hall, they weren't able to install a sort of roof on the outside for some peculiar reason.

You feel your blood boiling in your head. Old people are fainting. The ambulance has come almost every time these last two years since the damn thing was built. You get sun burns. The benches are small and made of metal. They are terribly uncomfotable to sit in for hours on end without moving, plus without shade they get so warm you could fry eggs on them. The convention hall (or what the hell you call this pit of hell) is far, far away from any large congregation. Most have to travel hundreds of miles and are having a hard time to find accomodations in the small town relatively nearby.

There's only one commercial stand you can buy stuff from, coincidentally owned by a JW. Cars get deadly hot in the shadeless parking lot. There aren't any trees. Some sick and elderly are allowed to enter the hall but the entrace is guarded fiercely by individuals tasked with keeping the order(not sure what's they're called in English speaking countries). They don't start the AC system in the hall because that would cost money. They just open all windows and door but that doesn't do anything in a building filled with hundreds of people when outside it's deadly hot. The speakers are the same boring dubs every year. I regularly sleep at conventions sitting on my ass on that hard metal bench, even though everyone is giving me dirty looks. The only upside of last year was the presence of a few incredibly hot young women. Other than that, uncomfortable, endangering, boring, cult propaganda, filled with old people, smelly, time wasting, not to mention incredibly expensive, three day hell. Is it the same for you?

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I got my mother to say animals evolved !

by cookiemaster in

i wanted to share with you guys the argument i had today with my mother.

i've been away last week in a far away city for my college exams.

i've been staying at a friend, a jw who, just like me, is actually an atheist and doesn't believe a word the wt says and knows it's a bullshit cult but because of his family and friends he still stays in.

cookiemaster

I wanted to share with you guys the argument I had today with my mother. I've been away last week in a far away city for my college exams. I've been staying at a friend, a JW who, just like me, is actually an atheist and doesn't believe a word the WT says and knows it's a bullshit cult but because of his family and friends he still stays in. He hasn't been to the KH for about three months now. So, of course we didn't go to the Sunday meeting. Instead we went to have fun with a Polish and a Hong Kong chick from our college and got drunk,lol.

Today my mother asked if we went to the hall on Sunday. Knowing she has many friends at that Hall and she would immediately find out if I was lying I admitted that I wasnt'. She seemed a little upset about it and asked me why. I said I didn't have a suit with me and I don't like going in jeans and casual clothes at the hall because everyone would look funny at me. She asked why I haven't found a way to go, and just kept insisting. I got a little angry and said I didn't go because I don't like any of the brothers at the hall and I actually despise most for being back-stabbing snakes.

Anyway, she makes a lot of claims about how Jokehova won't give me any blessings now, won't listen to my prayers and a lot of other illogical stuff. I said there's no proof Jokehovah currently intereferes in the world with blessings and answering prayers. That the world wouldn't make sense if he did. I asked her about all the JW's that had very bad things happen to them in field circus, coming from conventions, etc. She gets a little angry and says I have no faith and I'll get killed at Armagheddon and cites me some verses about Jah killing those who don't obey and question him.

I then said, he must be a big dictator (we live in an ex-communist country so she understands this analogy all too well). He doesn't really give me or others a choice, he just says, do as I command or die. Of course she now gets even more angry and threatens me with physical harm if I keep talking about Jah that way(lololol). She says Jah let's us all chose whether to follow and love him or not. I told her it's about as much of a choice as putting a gun to a man's head and saying do exactly as I tell you or die. That stirred things up but as we we're arguing I could see her hesistate and actually think about what I said.

However, she didn't give up and proceeded saying Jah is great and awesome for giving us this perfect world and that the only alternative is heading to the imoral, degraded world filled with wicked people. That the world he created originally was filled with peace and everything on Earth lived to serve and benefit humans, that it was a world without violence. Then I ask, how come there are predators? What about the animals that are absolute killing machines? Creatures that have huge claws, jaws, canines, poison, vision that tracks prey, feel blood from way away, all with the purpose of being better at killing. How can that be explained? Those creatures have their entire existence centered around hunting and killing.

She said Jokehova didn't make them that way. He made them perfect, peaceful companions for humans. But then I asked how did they get this way? She blurted our mumbling: "Well... I don't know... Maybe they evolved or something". What? Evolved? Coming from a person who was a witness since the early 70's? I didn't continue the argument because she was hesistant to say anything and appeared to be thinking. To be honest, I never, ever questioned "the truth" in front of her before, I was just showing apathy. That's why I expected a harsh reaction. Calling the elders or something, but no. An hour later she was talking like we didn't even argue. In a good mood even.

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The end of Watchtower in the western world ?

by cookiemaster in

hey guys!

i was just thinking, with all the new promising stem cell research and trials, many scientists predict that in a decade or two, advanced biotech will make possible to extend human lifespan considerably and soon after indefinitely.

also, access to vast amounts of information is becoming ubiquotous throughout the world and it seems that it's increasingly harder to keep people ignorant and in the dark.

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Hey guys! I was just thinking, with all the new promising stem cell research and trials, many scientists predict that in a decade or two, advanced biotech will make possible to extend human lifespan considerably and soon after indefinitely. Also, access to vast amounts of information is becoming ubiquotous throughout the world and it seems that it's increasingly harder to keep people ignorant and in the dark. As the world is becoming more connected and informed it's also harder to maintain the us vs. them mentality active.

Will this mean the end of WT in the western world? Let's face it. One of the biggest selling points of religion in general, and JW's in particular, is having a way to circumvent death (generally by embracing a fantasy of a paradise, heaven, etc) . I have a scientist friend who works for one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world. He can't disclose specific details about his work, but he claims his company will be able, by the mid 2020's, to add another year of life expectancy for every year that passes with the help of targeted stem cell treatments, as well as to regrow limbs, organs and cure countless diseases. His claims are supported by numerous scientific reports.

If aging will no longer be an issue in first world countries, I think the WT will lose a lot of followers. Plus, from what I can see, most children that grow in JW families do not become JW's themselves, or if they do, they leave in their youth. So in the western world things are becoming increasingly hard for them. As old generations die, and very few embrace the "truth", their ranks will fall. Just in my cong, from the late 90' until now the number dropped from 70 members to around 25. Most of them were old and died, and a considerable number have been abused by the elders and left.

The only places were the borg can see growth are developing countries which are generally very dogmatic and inclined toward Christianity. Places like Brazil and other poor countries in South America, maybe some countries of Africa, SE Asia (Philippines). But even so, it don't see a bright future for the borg as information comes to all people, more and more and becoming educated and less religious. What do you guys think?

PS: Please forgive any grammar or spelling mistakes. English is my second language.

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WT response to artificial blood

by cookiemaster in

hey guys !

here's an interesting piece of news.

apparently there's an israeli company out there that has managed to produce universally accepted artificial blood with the help of stem cells.

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Hey guys ! Here's an interesting piece of news. Apparently there's an Israeli company out there that has managed to produce universally accepted artificial blood with the help of stem cells. They still need to do a little refining on the manufacturing process to make it more profitable, but they're hoping they'll be able to manufacture blood on an industrial scale sometimes soon.

What do you think will be WT's position on this one. Will they allow JW to receive artificial blood ? This is still blood, but does not come from a living being, so using it wouldn't show disrespect to life, or some other shit reason they invoke. What do you guys think ?

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Hypnosis and control of JW's

by cookiemaster in

hey guys, what do you think about this: http://christianpeper.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/hypnotism-in-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-watchtower-2/.

plese make abstraction of the rest of the crap on the website.

this theory sounds pretty intriguing and it might have some degree of validity.

cookiemaster

WT Wizard Thank you dear wizard ! Hahah, you're so right ! So much crap in the life of a JW. Hypnosis might be a small component, but there's a huge amout of things that make you more and more a mental slave of the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. I kinda manipulated my parents not to go to the meetings for a few months now. No field circus, no family study, no conventions, no nothing. But man, those disgusting leeches hold a tight grip.

My mother is crying all day and is almost in a depression for longing to be with the brothers and sisters and sclaving to jokehova properly, but she still doesn't do it becase she knows deep down that nobody from the borg gives a crap about us. Oh, you should have seen the dirty looks our family got at the memorial. We chose not to spend all our money on the 200 miles away arsembly and actually pay our bills. Apparently that makes you a paria among this loving bunch.