Posts by BackseatDevil

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Carbon dating and the Global Flood - links needed

by wizzstick in

i've been using the search function on the site to research this, but a lot of articles seem quite old and there have been some interesting developments in this field of late.. if you're not sure on what carbon dating is have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating.

there's an interesting point made in the calibration methods section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating#calibration_methods.

on developments in the last few years.. they highlight the discovery at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lake_suigetsu and how it increased the calibration from 12,593 to 52,800 years.

BackseatDevil

Another small side note (sorry)

You can carbon date as much as you want using whatever method you want... you're not going to get how old the earth is. Our planet, is a regenerating planet... rock goes down one tactonic plate and pops back up on the other side and in the process a lot of stuff on the surface gets shifted around-different kind of rocks get formed... diamonds get made, whatever. But the most you will ever get is the history of when that particular "rock" formed, however it was formed and made it's appearance on the surface. It's not going to take you back any further than that. It's just the nature of how our planet functions.

just... had to throw that in there.

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Carbon dating and the Global Flood - links needed

by wizzstick in

i've been using the search function on the site to research this, but a lot of articles seem quite old and there have been some interesting developments in this field of late.. if you're not sure on what carbon dating is have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating.

there's an interesting point made in the calibration methods section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating#calibration_methods.

on developments in the last few years.. they highlight the discovery at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lake_suigetsu and how it increased the calibration from 12,593 to 52,800 years.

BackseatDevil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_cosmology#Earth

Also, the Mesopotmians and the Egyptions... who Moses took many of his stories from also thought the earth was flat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

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Carbon dating and the Global Flood - links needed

by wizzstick in

i've been using the search function on the site to research this, but a lot of articles seem quite old and there have been some interesting developments in this field of late.. if you're not sure on what carbon dating is have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating.

there's an interesting point made in the calibration methods section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating#calibration_methods.

on developments in the last few years.. they highlight the discovery at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lake_suigetsu and how it increased the calibration from 12,593 to 52,800 years.

BackseatDevil

NOW, it is possible that some of the bible writteres traded information with the greeks who mathmatically figured out the earth must be a sphere, but that would have been after the story of the flood and it would have still have been "theory" at the time. So there is that possibility. but that's the best argument I can give you for your side.

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Carbon dating and the Global Flood - links needed

by wizzstick in

i've been using the search function on the site to research this, but a lot of articles seem quite old and there have been some interesting developments in this field of late.. if you're not sure on what carbon dating is have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating.

there's an interesting point made in the calibration methods section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating#calibration_methods.

on developments in the last few years.. they highlight the discovery at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lake_suigetsu and how it increased the calibration from 12,593 to 52,800 years.

BackseatDevil

Isaiah 11:12

Revelation 7:1

Jeremiah 16:9

Daniel 4:11

Now, there are many scriptures that denote that the world on which they walked was "round" and the correct translation for such is "round" NOT "sphere". This is easily noted by walking and seeing things come up over the horizon. Not a difficult concept to grasp. However, they (as did every civilization at the time) think the world had end points... an area where it stops.

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Carbon dating and the Global Flood - links needed

by wizzstick in

i've been using the search function on the site to research this, but a lot of articles seem quite old and there have been some interesting developments in this field of late.. if you're not sure on what carbon dating is have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating.

there's an interesting point made in the calibration methods section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/radiocarbon_dating#calibration_methods.

on developments in the last few years.. they highlight the discovery at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lake_suigetsu and how it increased the calibration from 12,593 to 52,800 years.

BackseatDevil

SIDE POINT... just... as a matter of human history:

The story of the GREAT FLOOD (Noah's or otherwise) was concieved at a time when people thought the world was flat. From the perspective of the survivors, there could have been a flood or overflowing of a river pushing them out to sea... and the experience would have blown their mind. Upon seeing land again, it would have been a miraculous. This could have been a true event... who knows.

But the term "Global Flood" is a misleading phrase for whatever historical evet referenced because at that time they didn't know there was a "globe". The concept of a great flood to them would be limited to what that civilization knew at the time, not the earth as a whole.

Like i said, just a side point.

-james

backseatdevil.com

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Anyone else an Ex Bethel "volunteer"

by BackseatDevil in

i was wondering if there were any other ex-bethelites on here.

i personally regularly went for temporary work at brooklyn then was assigned to the farm for a year and a half.

it was... one of the most bizaare experiences of my life.. so i wrote it all down (finally, after some 15 years) so i won't bore anyone on here with the details of the story - because bethel doesn't show up until chapter 15... and for you straight folks, it gets a bit gay in two places... but nothing gross.

BackseatDevil

THANKS & returned :-)

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Luxury facilities @ bethel

by KSFernando in

the gb encourage sincere jws to maintain a simple life, to sell their luxury houses, electronic equipments etc.

however if you look at the life style at bethel, its like a five star hotel.

im in a asian country.

BackseatDevil

I was there from 96-97.

Now, a couple of big changes happened between my time and yours. The entire computer programming department/accounting/Bethelite numbers, everything was being transferred to an all inclusive SAP program... also (someone verify) there was a separation of those brothers who run the organization spiritually and those brothers who run Bethel, Inc.

In either of these two shifts they could have changed the idea of seniority. I'm sure there's other factors as well i'm missing....

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Luxury facilities @ bethel

by KSFernando in

the gb encourage sincere jws to maintain a simple life, to sell their luxury houses, electronic equipments etc.

however if you look at the life style at bethel, its like a five star hotel.

im in a asian country.

BackseatDevil

Barrold Bonds

When did that change? Because when I was there, it was baptism. I literally walked in the door with 10 years seniority and was able to bid (successfully) on my own room my first year at Bethel. So apparently that has changed (and I think it makes better sense anyway, when you think about it). But are you aware of when that was switched?

-James

backseatdevil.com

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

jw
friends

however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

BackseatDevil

Flipper. I was just reading in my regular pioneer book (yes, I was one of those as well), "during the years between 1950 and 1960, and anonymous committee of annointed Witnesses of Jehovah produced the New Word Translation of the Holy Scriptures in the English Language. It was a completely new translation unfettered by Christendom's religious traditions."

SO, the NWT came out in 1961 and in complete circulation by 62, THEN when you have the Life Everlasting book in 66, they not only had the ability to point to 1975 as the implied end of the world, BUT a polarized bible to back it up. Then go the 9 year build up... etc. etc.

Actually, when you think about it... it's a quite a very well laid out plan. Just... you know... COMPLETELY WRONG. lol.

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Anyone else an Ex Bethel "volunteer"

by BackseatDevil in

i was wondering if there were any other ex-bethelites on here.

i personally regularly went for temporary work at brooklyn then was assigned to the farm for a year and a half.

it was... one of the most bizaare experiences of my life.. so i wrote it all down (finally, after some 15 years) so i won't bore anyone on here with the details of the story - because bethel doesn't show up until chapter 15... and for you straight folks, it gets a bit gay in two places... but nothing gross.

BackseatDevil

BluePill2 - are you kidding. I wrote a damn book. Named names, gave building numbers, and everything... I would have added Google Locations if i could have figured how to get them on the site. LOL. That place literally f'ed over my mind... and even worse... my heart.

clarity - imagination of holy spirit, directing the whole place...and boys & girls doing their service to god. Uh... no. It's a business. It's a business raking in billions of dollars completely run off slave labor. It would be Paula Deen's deam wedding if all the Volunteers where all black.

Okay, one (funny) story i did not include in backseatdevil.com is that one roommate that we had was really gross... like he would walk all the way home, take off his shoes, rub his feet, and then immediately start eating his pizza... with his hands. SOOO... (and I can't take credit for this idea) So I would flip the batteries in the TV remote backwards so when he went to turn on the tv... the remote wouldn't work. I told him to take the batteries out and rub them on his shirt... the static electricity would recharge them... just until we get new batteries. He did it and (of course) put the batteries back in the remote the correct way. the remote would work! So every once in a while i would flip the batteries around and watch him "successfully" recharge the batteries in the remote. Sometimes we would have people over.

It was probably the meanest thing I did...