Carbon dating and the Global Flood - links needed

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  • wizzstick
    wizzstick

    I've been using the search function on the site to research this, but a lot of articles seem quite old and there have been some interesting developments in this field of late.

    If you're not sure on what Carbon dating is have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

    There's an interesting point made in the Calibration Methods section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating#Calibration_methods
    on developments in the last few years.

    They highlight the discovery at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Suigetsu and how it increased the calibration from 12,593 to 52,800 years. Which is a gamechanger because it could totally confirm whether a global flood has ever happened to the Earth and do so way beyond when the Bible indicates it happened.

    But what I can't see if anyone has actually used these latest developments to see whether there is any evidence for the Flood. Now the gist of various online articles is no it doesn't, but they tend to be from atheist sites etc. and from some time back.

    I had a good conversation with an old JW friend, and I think the above has opened his eyes but I need to back it up. Atheist sites wont help and I really need recent articles, or graphs.

    Can anyone recommend good scientific sites that have seriously looked at radio carbon dating a global flood from the recent developments outlined above? Something like this on carbon dating and the flood would be great: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=carbon-dating-gets-reset

  • cofty
  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    Generally, carbon dating prior to 1600 BCE distorts exponentially and so is not considered reliable, that is, the dating would be exaggerated.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The Global Flood of Noah as told in the bible was just one of many embellished stories told by the Ancient Hebrews to create a semblance of power and relevance to their God YHWH.

    One could say that was their responsibility as designated spiritual seers to that recognized god.

    Was there catastrophic floods within that ancient era ? of course but they weren't caused by gods or any one particular god.

  • cofty
    cofty
    Generally, carbon dating prior to 1600 BCE distorts exponentially and so is not considered reliable, that is, the dating would be exaggerated. - Lars

    Not so. Carbon 14 dating is very accurate for objects up to about 45 000 years old.

  • James Brown
    James Brown

    Yes, Please read coftys explanation. You will see he uses circular reasoning.

    Read the whole Post. If you can think and comprehend you will see where they are coming from.

    The land of confusion.

    If you cant think and comprehend Cofty is always recruiting.

    God has given him up to his own foolish understanding and he cant see.

    Since the same layers of sedimentary rock are to be found all over the world, wherever igneous rock is found above, below or within a layer of sedimentary rock it, and the fossils it contains can be dated. The accuracy of these dates can be confirmed by comparing numerous clocks from numerous samples. Not just the relative ages, but also the actual ages of sedimentary rock layers are now known with certainty coftys words.

    They have proven they can not date lava. They dated Mount St. Helens off by 2.8 million years which is in my world much more than

    1%. It's an error percentage like 2.8 million percent.

    In the scientific community the dating of the Mount St. Helens lava is what is called a double blind test.

    Something most people learn in 7th grade biology.

    In my opinion your wasting your time arguing with Cofty and the evolutionist/atheist. They are on the highway to hell.

    And they are blind to it. They cant even comprehend what they read or say.

    The dating test

    In June of 1992, Dr Austin collected a 7-kg (15-lb) block of dacite from high on the lava dome. A portion of this sample was crushed and milled into a fine powder. Another piece was crushed and the various mineral crystals were carefully separated out.3 The ‘whole rock’ rock powder and four mineral concentrates were submitted for potassium-argon analysis to Geochron Laboratories of Cambridge, MA—a high-quality, professional radioisotope-dating laboratory. The only information provided to the laboratory was that the samples came from dacite and that ‘low argon’ should be expected. The laboratory was not told that the specimen came from the lava dome at Mount St Helens and was only 10 years old.

    The results of this analysis are shown in Table 1. What do we see? First and foremost that they are wrong. A correct answer would have been ‘zero argon’ indicating that the sample was too young to date by this method. Instead, the results ranged from 340,000 to 2.8 million years! Why? Obviously, the assumptions were wrong, and this invalidates the ‘dating’ method. Probably some argon-40 was incorporated into the rock initially, giving the appearance of great age. Note also that the results from the different samples of the same rock disagree with each other.

    It is clear that radioisotope dating is not the ‘gold standard’ of dating methods, or ‘proof’ for millions of years of Earth history. When the method is tested on rocks of known age, it fails miserably. The lava dome at Mount St Helens is not a million years old! At the time of the test, it was only about 10 years old. In this case we were there—we know! How then can we accept radiometric-dating results on rocks of unknown age? This challenges those who promote the faith of radioisotope dating, especially when it contradicts the clear eyewitness chronology of the Word of God.

    Table 1. Potassium-argon ‘ages’ for whole rock and mineral concentrate samples from the lava dome at Mount St Helens (from Austin1).

    Sample Age / millions of years
    1Whole rock0.35 ± 0.05
    2Feldspar, etc.0.34 ± 0.06
    3Amphibole, etc.0.9 ± 0.2
    4Pyroxene, etc.1.7 ± 0.3
    5Pyroxene2.8 ± 0.6

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v23/n3/radiodating

  • FadeToBlack
    FadeToBlack

    wizzstick, please don't tell me that you suspect there may have been a global flood in 2370BC as the WT asserts. Please. Forget Carbon dating, this is recent history. None of the civilizations in existence (for quite some time) at the time noticed a global flood if there was one. Maybe they didn't get the memo. Regards...

  • cofty
    cofty

    All of this has been explained to you in great detail James. You still haven't read Wien's paper have you?

    Using radiometric techniques to attempt to date recent lava flows is like using a radar gun to measure the speed of a tortoise. Of course it will give a stupid result. That doesn't show that radar guns don't work for measuring the range they are designed for.

    The sample from St Helens should not give a zero date it should give wildly varying dates and be rejected as a useful sample which was what happened.

    Radiometric dating works astonishingly well. Multiple elements within the same rock can be tested and independently confirm the very same dates.

    As usual you throw around the word "circular" without being able to explain what is circular and then you do your usual copy-paste.

    In my opinion your wasting your time arguing with Cofty and the evolutionist/atheist. They are on the highway to hell.

    Priceless!

  • James Brown
    James Brown

    Thats wrong the first civilization in History Sumer talks about the global flood in the Sumerian text.

    And the Epic of Gilgamesh.

    Such miss information is shameful.

  • James Brown
    James Brown

    Cofty you have no idea what circular reasoning is Im suprised you can spell it.

    Keep going around in circles.

    Youll never catch your tail.

    That's right you got a tail.

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