Hooberus,
What is a professional exit counsler...........and how do you get one?
if my husband and i were to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon there would be a fair amount of money to be divided between our witness relatives.
what do you think about this idea?.
we give everyone between $50,000 and $100,000 each on the condition that they read both of ray franz's books.
Hooberus,
What is a professional exit counsler...........and how do you get one?
well i got me a copy of the new wt 2001 cd rom, and started looking at it and learning how to use it.. this was the very first thing i stumbled across, which was a thing that always bothered me.
those of you who saw me and watched my phases as i left will remember that this topic was a major issue for me.. .
here is the article, in part:.
Very good topic zev,
That particular doctrine is one of their most ridiculous. Apart from having as many holes as Swiss cheese, it is God dishonouring.
The PO in our cong was d/f for an extra martial affair. Very sordid it was.
How do they explain it that God, through His Holy Spirit appointed the paedophile elders throughout the world.
Why did Jehovah appoint Chitty, Greenleas and the worst apostate of all Ray Franz, to the governing body. Surely the Holy Spirit would at least make sure the governing body would be kosher if no one else.
What a farce!!
if my husband and i were to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon there would be a fair amount of money to be divided between our witness relatives.
what do you think about this idea?.
we give everyone between $50,000 and $100,000 each on the condition that they read both of ray franz's books.
You are all co cute!!!!!
if my husband and i were to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon there would be a fair amount of money to be divided between our witness relatives.
what do you think about this idea?.
we give everyone between $50,000 and $100,000 each on the condition that they read both of ray franz's books.
If my husband and I were to shuffle off this mortal coil anytime soon there would be a fair amount of money to be divided between our witness relatives.
What do you think about this idea?
We give everyone between $50,000 and $100,000 each ON THE CONDITION that they read both of Ray Franz's books.
They would have, say six months to collect the money, then each would have a different set of questions to be answered from the books. No answers no money?
Is that a good idea?
What do you think their reactions would be?
We are still undercover at the moment.
how can the wts consider an unmarried man in his mid-twenties qualified to be an elder?
clearly the "theocratic" process of election by the holy spirit is not what's happening.
ever known any (too) young elders?
I must say, I am very disappointed. You all show a distinct lack of respect for the “glorious ones”.
Watchtower June 1 1998 page 17
Respect Divinely Constituted Authority
8 Another problem that Jude addresses is the lack of respect for divinely constituted authority. For instance, in verse 8 he charges the same wicked men with “speaking abusively of glorious ones.” Who were these “glorious ones”? They were imperfect men, but they had responsibilities conferred upon them by Jehovah’s holy spirit. For example, the congregations had elders, who were charged with shepherding the flock of God . (1 Peter 5:2) There were traveling overseers too, such as the apostle Paul. And the body of elders in Jerusalem acted as a governing body, making decisions affecting the Christian congregation as a whole. (Acts 15:6) Jude was deeply concerned that certain ones in the congregations were speaking abusively of, or blaspheming, such men.
9 To denounce such disrespectful talk, in verse 11, Jude cites three more examples as reminders: Cain, Balaam, and Korah . Cain ignored Jehovah’s loving counsel and willfully pursued his own course of murderous hatred. (Genesis 4:4-8) Balaam received repeated warnings that unquestionably came from a supernatural source—even his own she-ass spoke to him! But Balaam selfishly continued to plot against God’s people. (Numbers 22:28, 32-34; Deuteronomy 23:5) Korah had his own position of responsibility, but it was not enough. He fomented rebellion against the meekest man on the earth, Moses.—Numbers 12:3; 16:1-3, 32.
10 How vividly these examples teach us to listen to counsel and to respect those whom Jehovah uses in positions of responsibility ! (Hebrews 13:17) It is all too easy to find fault with the appointed elders, for they are imperfect, as all of us are imperfect. But if we dwell on their faults and undermine respect for them, might we be “speaking abusively of glorious ones”? In verse 10, Jude mentions those who “are speaking abusively of all the things they really do not know.” Some will, at times, criticize a decision made by a body of elders or a judicial committee. Yet, they are not privy to all the details that the elders had to consider in order to reach a decision. So why speak abusively about things they really do not know? (Proverbs 18:13) Those who persist in such negative talk could cause divisions in the congregation.
Now brothers and sisters; take this wonderful counsel to heart and repent. Then go to the young “glorious ones” and beg their forgiveness.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2791943.stm
a job centre employee has taken his employer to a tribunal because he claims that the dress code is sexist - women are not required to adhere to a similar standard.
his union is backing him.. i am inclined to say "oh boo hoo, poor you, your employer has a dress code!
Scotsman:
I was very interested in your comment about men being discriminated in the borg re dress code.
I actually thought it to be the opposite. Men could be comfortable in their pants. But women have to wear skirts. To give an idea what women would prefer, just try checking what women wear when not at meetings or witnessing. Very few wear skirts.
In fact I had a letter drafted to write to Brooklyn complaining that the rules for what women are to wear are made by old men with no idea how bare legs freeze in the cold, or how uncomfortable skirts can be. But then I lost all interest in anything they say; about skirts or anything else.
yesidid
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how many here feel that their lives have became better and more successful since they left the org.?.
my life has truly turned 180 degrees...been blessed since i left.. i will not go into details but i am happier, don't have regrets, and there is not any guilt feelings to deal with.
JeffT you said: Unlike any witness wife I've ever met, she can say she has a career.
I have no doubt that has been your experience. However I, as a witness wife had a high profile, rewarding career in every sense of the word, particularly monetarily. That included world travel and international lecturing. I am not saying I would not have been more effective had I not been a witness. But I certainly had a career.
yesidid.
today i found out that my dad committed suicide, probably on sunday sometime.
his body was found today and the plano police department called me.
i am numb and grieving, kind of relieved for a lot of reasons, and very very sad.
Dear Nina,
Seems to me, from what you had written previously, that for the past couple of years your dad was not enjoying his life at all. At least he now has peace. I hope you can have comfort from the fact that he is no longer suffering.
yesidid.
another question for everyone.
i have read through some of the threads, posts or whatever and even though there is a sense of disagreement over witnesses and the society, their way of handling the words of the bible.
i was curious to know if anyone does believe jehovah is his name?
Hello Seeking-truth,
No they can never take that away from us can they? The name our heavenly Father gave himself was Jehovah or something like that in whatever language we speak. It was the name by which we came to have a relationship with Him. Whether or not he is exclusively using or even in any way using the WTS is a moot point. We know and love our heavenly Father by the name he has given us to use.
yesidid
another question for everyone.
i have read through some of the threads, posts or whatever and even though there is a sense of disagreement over witnesses and the society, their way of handling the words of the bible.
i was curious to know if anyone does believe jehovah is his name?
Hello Seeking-truth,
No they can never take that away from us can they? The name our heavenly Father gave himself was Jehovah or something like that in whatever language we speak. It was the name by which we came to have a relationship with Him. Whether or not he is exclusively using or even in any way using the WTS is a moot point. We know and love our heavenly Father by the name he has given us to use.
yesidid