Posts by Smiles

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To Active JW's Who Think Outside the Box: 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12 Reconsidered...

by MADMARY in

watchtower society “contradicts” the bible – where and why?.

god's word certainly warns anyone who would dare, or be so audacious to deliberately change, twist or distort his holy message of truth by saying:.

“5 every saying of god is refined.

Smiles

@MadMary:

It is good that you brought up the Greek verb "pempo", I was hoping someone would do so. It was only hinted at above.

Watch Tower has translated "pempo" to fit into its doctrinal scheme.

Here are two example from the New World Translation:

John 15:26

"When the helper comes that I will send you..."

2 Thessalonians 2:11

"That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them..."

"Pempo" appears in both of those verses. At John 5:26, Watch Tower translates pempo as "send". However, at 2 Thessalonians 2:11, Watch Tower twists the same exact Greek verb into "lets"...

Earlier Bobcat wrote that it may not be as "blatant" as thought; but, really, how very convenient for Watch Tower to print an atypical version of scripture, as is often the case with Watch Tower literature, which happens to slant the character of a verse into better alignment with dogma intrinsic to Watch Tower.

Coincidental fit? Or deliberate manipulation?

They say that the serpent in Eden was crafty with word play... Watch Tower has had over 140 years to become quite proficient at twisting words, too.

Millions of unsuspecting users of the New World Translation have and will continue to read 2 Thessalonians 2:11 oblivious to the subtle twist Watch Tower has added to validate its dogma revolving around "the issue of universal sovereignty" being legally settled only as God temporarily LETS a 'deluding operation of error' fester to prove some divine case-in-point, while God simultaneously disavows any and all responsbility for the wretched harm so allowed to transpire.

The New World Translation is not a completely evil publication. But as mentioned in the opening post, it only requires the adding or taking away of ONE word to incur the wrath of God. Watch Tower bears such error.

As Steven Byington remarked in his review of the Watch Tower printing of The New World Translation, that the work is: "well supplied with faults and merits."

Watch Tower quickly glorifies it own "merits", but fairly, we can shine a light on the faults.

Good catch, MadMary! Keep them coming!

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To Active JW's Who Think Outside the Box: 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12 Reconsidered...

by MADMARY in

watchtower society “contradicts” the bible – where and why?.

god's word certainly warns anyone who would dare, or be so audacious to deliberately change, twist or distort his holy message of truth by saying:.

“5 every saying of god is refined.

Smiles

@Bobcat

Seems like you would make a fine writer for the Watch Tower corporation.

God had the wicked spirits sent to the vicinity of Earth. So, of course, God only allowed that to happen, hands off.

And Jesus only allowed the comforting helper to be sent at Pentecost of 33.

As you said, it is a departure! That's the point; exactly as MadMary opened with the proverb: "add nothing"...

'Faithful in what is least' ?

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To Active JW's Who Think Outside the Box: 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12 Reconsidered...

by MADMARY in

watchtower society “contradicts” the bible – where and why?.

god's word certainly warns anyone who would dare, or be so audacious to deliberately change, twist or distort his holy message of truth by saying:.

“5 every saying of god is refined.

Smiles

Good post, MadMary.

And in the original Greek, 2:11 reads something like: 'God working within the error'...

Like you said, an active role, not an passive allowance.

Working is different from letting.

Letting is different from sending.

Doctrinal bias in translation... But Watch Tower will quickly point to something like one of Byington's works as a supportive alibi, even though Steven Byington himself saw both "faults and merits" in the Watch Tower scriptural translation works.

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New Light, the teaching that has morphed into Old Alibi

by FatFreek 2005 in

as far as i recall watchtower's new light doctrine was conceived from the very first issue of zion's watchtower and herald of christ's presence, 1879. c.t.

russell used it then as an alibi for his failed 1874 and 1878 dates.

1874 was eventually replaced by 1914 and the rest is history.. well, they've been using the alibi ever since -- for the some 24 failed events that were supposed to happen in 1914 to the 49 failed dates over the years.. at the heart and soul of watchtower's "new light" teaching is proverbs 4:18, ".

Smiles

Everyone here should download the two links above. That is the hard evidence needed to make the case on Watch Tower false predictions.

Watch Tower has dark archived much of this old original material, or has elected against digitizing the material, effectively rendering it a daunting task for the general public to access. And to complicate it more, some of the material which has been digitized electronically for public release, was also modified to 'the reflect the correct understanding'... So now, the average person using JW apps or JW software, may not be viewing the information as it appeared when originally published.

This is a key topic for anyone inside of or outside of the Watch Tower organization that desire to know the facts about its plethora of false predictions.

@FatFreek 2005... Thank for posting this topic and including the two above links so anyone can easily see references to the old original literature published by Watch Tower which contain the false predictions.

Crucial too is knowing how Watch Tower, has to this day, continued to distort or omit its lengthy record of interpretational errors in an effort to rewrite its history and keep its masses ignorantly believing in its shape shifting interpretation of prophecy.

For example, their publication "God's Kingdom Rules!", published in 2014, provides a whitewashed portrayal of the 1914 prediction which conveniently omits the 24 failed events previously attached to its 1914 prediction which FatFreek outlines in the post links above.

"10. How did the Watch Tower point to 1914 as a marked year?

10 As its full title suggested, the journal Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence was deeply concerned with prophecies pertaining to Christ’s presence. The faithful anointed writers who contributed to that journal saw that Daniel’s prophecy regarding the “seven times” had a bearing on the timing of the fulfillment of God’s purposes regarding the Messianic Kingdom. As early as the 1870’s, they pointed to 1914 as the year when those seven times would end. (Dan. 4:25; Luke 21:24) Although our brothers of that era did not yet grasp the full significance of that marked year, they proclaimed what they knew far and wide, with long-lasting effects."

Omitted also are the various other dated years Watch Tower taught to be of epic significance, but which proved to be prophetically meaningless.

In that modern one paragraph, Watch Tower history on the 1914 interpretation is over-simplified to portray it as a near perfect, cleancut, pristine prediction, which in the JW mind, permanently validates Watch Tower's "faithful anointed writers"...

The sad reality is that this is merely Watch Tower writers whitewashing over the wrong.

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"Tight Pants" by Mentally Diseased - a tribute to Anthony Morris III

by jwleaks in

jw
friends

too tight pants by mentally diseased.

(with thanks to baggy trousers by madness).

too tight pants in kingdom halls.

Smiles

LOL @ Hard2Bme.. You even got the facial expression just right on their face. Hysterical!

@Leaks.... Put that to music and you may have the next revised Kingdom Melody for regional release.

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Anthony Morris III - example to the flock - example to the elders

by LogCon in

i find it curious that so many are offended at the comments used by anthony morris iii.. when he publicly states that colourful socks, tight pants and spanx are not part of a christians life, he is teaching a lesson.

the lesson for the flock is not to wear colourful socks, tight pants and spanx.. however,.

the lesson to all the congregation elders is to ensure that these lessons are driven home in their respective congregations.

Smiles

If the average elder walked onto the platform and said the bullshot AM3 says, that elder would get himself deleted.

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UK LGBT press responds to Jehovah's Witness Governing Body member Anthony Morris

by Balaamsass2 in

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/11/10/jehovahs-witnesses-boss-dont-wear-tight-trousers-theyre-designed-by-homosexuals/.

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Smiles

AM3 in tight pants...
Enjoy.
Smiles

http://goo.gl/0ccsnb

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Over 1,000,000 in attendance and you are worried about tight pants?

by Separation of Powers in

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friends

you know, rarely in the history of the org has a group this large congregated to hear from "mother.

" they incessantly speak of the huge group that met at yankee stadium in 1958...the over 250,000 that congregated to be instructed by jehovah.

but over the weekend, there were over 1,000,000 people excited to hear some type of direction, some type of encouragement, something to help them hang on "just a little longer.".