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  False members numbers

  by asp59 in

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  is watchtower faking there member numbers?

  i live in europe.

  for the last 15 year's probably 25 person i knew or more were df, pimo, left by own will, inactive.

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  This is completely anecdotal. Based on similar type organisations. The JWs PIMI rate would be at a minimum of 3-4 million members. I suspect it is a lot higher than that. Also bear in mind no one knows for sure what the POMI rate is either, which could boost numbers . I have this feeling that those that fit the definition of PIMO would be no higher than 15%, and that’s been very optimistic. The trouble is that 15% get on the internet and cause watchtower 90% of its problems. I think if it got into the realms, like some have suggested, of 30-40% the org would just claps.

  I know everyone likes to quote the “pew,2/3” thing. But as has been demonstrated this falls woefully short of the mark. There are certainly other organisations that are taking bigger hits. It could be that they are better at hiding it. How bad / good are they doing. I could argue both ways.
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  False members numbers

  by asp59 in

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  2. experiences

  is watchtower faking there member numbers?

  i live in europe.

  for the last 15 year's probably 25 person i knew or more were df, pimo, left by own will, inactive.

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  I’m really in two minds as to just how well or badly the JWs are doing, when everything is factored in. It’s almost coming up to my 10th anniversary from when I physically walked out of the KH ( please no need to applause. Lol) . But from my observations then, it was district conventions with empty seats. Lots of grey heads and almost devoid of any 18-30 year olds. I deeply regret having stayed for as long as I did.
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  JWs who are now paying the price of following the cult.

  by mickbobcat in

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  my in-laws are two such people.

  people who pioneered and did not work and try to save, instead they made just enough to get by and waited for the end to come.

  now my mil is in palliative care and the state is paying for her keep, my fil lives in a dilapidated home and can not keep it up.

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  I knew this pioneer sister. Who went into pioneering virtually straight from school. She had the goal of going to bethel. To be honest I fancied her, so I decided to sit in on a bethel recruiting meeting with her. I remember seeing the look of disappointment and frustration on her face, hearing a governing body member saying the were requiring the skills of nurses and hospital personal. This pioneer sister was ultra PIMI. Last I heard she is still pioneering, still no closer to Bethel, and not married to me. Lol
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  A bit of history ... for you history buffs

  by RR in

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  i wasn't sure where to post this.

  not sure why i'm posting this.

  it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

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  WT paints this idea that Russel was teaching his contemporaries; however, I believe it might of been the other way around, with his contemporaries teaching him.
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  A bit of history ... for you history buffs

  by RR in

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  i wasn't sure where to post this.

  not sure why i'm posting this.

  it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

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  Slim- Nearly all the SDA’s I’ve meet, concoct conspiracy theories that CT Russel copied Ellen G White. I hate that.
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  The Governing Body Announces That Some In-Person Meetings Will Resume in Select Areas

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  related to the pilot program for in-person meetings for the vaccinated (jehovahs-witness.com) topic thread there is the following news announcement direct the org: the governing body announces that some in-person meetings will resume in select areas (jw.org) .

  i certainly won't be participating in that..

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  Yes I believe your correct LongHairGal. It’s a balancing act between control, cashing up, and running with the money. I feel the decision to physically return to the halls was the correct decision. Long term, if they transitioned to on line, the whole thing would of just fell apart. It was only months of KH closing and they were trying to shut down the R&F from having independent study groups. Physical buildings means control and WT realises that.
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  Not invited to congregation “get togethers”. They finally said it

  by solomon in

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  we don’t get many invitations to congregational social gatherings.

  we don’t attend midweek meetings and miss about 1/3 of sunday meetings.

  we go in service at least once a month.

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  Yes I could of perhaps tolerated the lies and false doctrines. But it was when I found that I was been excluded. It made the process of searching for another community, that was more accepting, so much easier. In a way I’m great full for the culture that exists in Wt.
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  Well this plan has started off well.

  by skin in

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  only hours away from this town having their first in person kh meeting today, covid is now in town.. https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126726176/covid19-case-in-blenheim-is-south-islands-first-community-case-since-2020.

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  It’ll be interesting to see how the local R&F take to this.
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  Can non JWs be witnesses in a committee meeting?

  by mickbobcat in

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  i am not sure but i know where non jws have been brought in for a witness to a judicial meeting.

  what is the official policy on this?

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  I remember a sex abuse case. I think it was in Wales. What initially got the ball rolling was when a member of the public walked into a KH and made a complaint to the elders in the offenders congregation. I think it was after this complaint that the elders were literally forced to do something as there were also a host of complaints from inside the congregation regarding the same Person. Anybody remember this.
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  Pilot program for in-person meetings for the vaccinated

  by Vidqun in

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  pilot program for in-person meetings to resume, to be launched in hong kong in nov. 2021. only fully vaccinated publishers are to be invited.

  it's going to be a fader's paradise.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/q9e9pg/and_so_it_begins/?%24deep_link=true&correlation_id=fb861c4a-8c7e-4bad-b1e3-4c86b3254daf&post_fullname=t3_q9e9pg&post_index=1&ref=email_digest&ref_campaign=email_digest&ref_source=email&utm_content=post_title&%243p=e_as&_branch_match_id=936859150293933406&utm_medium=email%20amazon%20ses.

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  It must be true I also heard that meetings are starting 1st of November in Christchurch, New Zealand. So far the Delta very-ant has stayed out of the South Island of New Zealand.