Posts by joe134cd

there's already been a couple of threads on the 2021 report with insightful comments, but i'm vain enough to want to start my own topic with some additional thoughts..... as others on the other thread noted, it's useful to compare the 2021 numbers not only to 2020 but also 2019 (the last non-pandemic report).. there are some really troubling (if you're a wt headquarters guy) news in the latest report.. 1) baptisms plummet.

2021 - 171,393. baptisms dropped 20% in 2020, and 30% more in 2021. the total drop from 2019 to 2021 is an amazing 44%.. one could argue that without in-person assemblies and conventions you'd expect baptisms to drop.

but....if someone really wants to get baptized, jws will find a way.

joe134cd

I think, what slim is trying to say is that wt is certainly not alone in its dilemma. Depending on how the dilemma is looked at, Wt might be doing quite well.

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Annual service report - yet another analysis - big trouble for the WTS

by FFGhost in

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there's already been a couple of threads on the 2021 report with insightful comments, but i'm vain enough to want to start my own topic with some additional thoughts..... as others on the other thread noted, it's useful to compare the 2021 numbers not only to 2020 but also 2019 (the last non-pandemic report).. there are some really troubling (if you're a wt headquarters guy) news in the latest report.. 1) baptisms plummet.

2021 - 171,393. baptisms dropped 20% in 2020, and 30% more in 2021. the total drop from 2019 to 2021 is an amazing 44%.. one could argue that without in-person assemblies and conventions you'd expect baptisms to drop.

but....if someone really wants to get baptized, jws will find a way.

joe134cd

The thing that strikes me about these statistics is how the growth rates of the groups tend to mirror on another.

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Poor Llyod

by notsurewheretogo in

look...i've had my beef with lloyd aka cedars and some of the stuff he says or does but equally i respect what he is trying to do and what he has achieved in terms of waking people up.. he intimated he had mental health issues years ago but his video today is brutal...i see pain in his eyes and he is suffering.

his family come first and the man needs to heal.. yes he has issues that many on here see but its not the man that is important but his work.. but the man needs time to heal mentally and i wish he does so.

he deserves that despite the feelings and things that have happened in the past with the exjw community.. he has done so much for the exjw community in general that i hope all give him a little clack and he returns.. if any of us did what he did we may be in the same boat but none of us do...see past the man and see his work but equally the man is suffering and it is pretty sad...i hope he gets better soon.

joe134cd

I shear the sentiments of so many here. Despite his faults and antics. His work has been instrumental in helping thousands walk away from the religion and adjust to the outside world. I have literally been watching and reading his works since the beginning. I wish you well Lloyd.

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Why it takes a long time to bring a religious cult down.

by pistolpete in

i think the first thing to consider is that it takes a while for humans to wake up to the truth.

this is not just a jw thing.

around 1600 ad, galileo challenged the catholic church's long held view that the earth was the center of our universe.

joe134cd

Beth Sarim

20 hours ago

''Jehovah’s Witnesses claim 8.2 million publishers;;

They 'claim' to have that many, a 'claim' is about it. They have to massage that number.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5748058095616000/jws-bigger-more-successful-mormon-church

BethSarim : All the conspiracy theories about Wt doctoring it numbers is, just simply, not true.

I also firmly believe that the Mormon church been more successful is just as fictional as well.

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Why it takes a long time to bring a religious cult down.

by pistolpete in

i think the first thing to consider is that it takes a while for humans to wake up to the truth.

this is not just a jw thing.

around 1600 ad, galileo challenged the catholic church's long held view that the earth was the center of our universe.

joe134cd

I’ve heard it stated. That if it wasn’t for Mormons having 3 children families. The church membership would be in free fall in the United States.

So, bear in mind, Wt certainly is not alone in that regard.

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New year's predictions for watchtower.

by asp59 in

well don't know if this page has tread for new years predictions or with date it starts.

so might as well start now.

my new year's prediction for watchtower would be a big big sell out of kingdom hall's.

joe134cd

As people are saying they will not ever go back to what the religion was before.

When Nath and Freddie died so did the religion.

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Why it takes a long time to bring a religious cult down.

by pistolpete in

i think the first thing to consider is that it takes a while for humans to wake up to the truth.

this is not just a jw thing.

around 1600 ad, galileo challenged the catholic church's long held view that the earth was the center of our universe.

joe134cd

I to agree with slim. I think the JWs have done better than most in the present environment.