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  JW's: Research your beliefs..................

  by BoogerMan in

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  joe134cd

  Disillusioned JW

  Wt maintains that the plural form that was used for “hands, nails,”implies that multiple nails were needed in order to support his body weight. The one thing that made me dismiss this reasoning was when I looked in the the “ my book of bible stories” ( yellow covered one). There you will see only one nail in his hands, on the stake. I concluded that if this stake theory was to be believed then the artist who designed this picture certainly missed the point.

  Tbh I found it hard to explain all these miss translation theories Wt has e,g parousia , starous etc. Why would an almighty God use such loose language for such an important event, as his death and advent. That for just under 2000 years was missed by everyone. Just to have a guy, which I didn’t know at the time was a narcissistic ,womanising, alcoholic, finally reveal that it was a wrong.

  Looking back I can’t believe just how gullible I was.
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  JW's: Research your beliefs..................

  by BoogerMan in

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  Disillusioned Jw. The point I was trying to make. If the bible got into all the nighty gritty of how, rather than the purpose, of the earths formation, then the whole idea of mankind’s restoration would have been lost. This Starous / Stake thing I never brought into as a PIMI JW. I went for about 15 years believing Jesus meet his end on a cross, before I finally left the religion. I explained it by reasoning it was the reason he dies what mattered. Not the instrument he died on. There is just no way a guy who received that type of beating would have had the strength to carry a pole of that weight on his back. The plural form for nails / hands. The sign bern placed above his head. All point to a cross. I found the reasoning Wt used to explain this away to be very weak.

  Looking back I just wished it had been the thing that made me move sooner.
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  JW's: Research your beliefs..................

  by BoogerMan in

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  joe134cd

  Disillusioned JW: yes I agree that the bible should be tested against science. Firstly, there must be a few acknowledgements made. The Bible in itself is not primarily a science manual. Its primary purpose is the restoration of humanity through a mediator, Jesus Christ. It’s in the course of this story unfolding that it touches on areas of science. Many of which were unknown at the time e.g sanitation, quarantine, horticultural practices.

  To illustrate, according to bible chronology humans have existed for about 6000 years. The first 11 chapters of Genesis, from Adam and Eve to Abraham. Contain the first 2000 years of existence. Therefore it could perhaps be expected that the bible, could be vague on scientific matters because

  (a) it’s not a science manual. It’s a restoration manual.

  (B) the sheer space required to document it.

  (c) The information was unnecessary for the time and the audience it was written to. They were told all faecal matter was to be covered. People with contagious diseases to be isolated , and that sufficed for the time. Going into depth of atoms an ions, was I necessary for the time.
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  Watchtower is Run Like the Mafia

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody else notice this?

  the have a syndicate (governing body) regional bosses (district overseers), captians (circuit overseers), and elders are their "made men" that enforce policy at street level.

  if you run your mouth too much, they wipe out your whole family (disfellowshipping).

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  joe134cd

  Reasonfirst - I live in a country closely connected to Australia. That fascinates me what you are saying. I never had heard of that before. I’m going to read that link.
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  Will the Chinese retaliate someday?

  by Fisherman in

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  2. current

  that’s all we need, to lose china’s economic friendship.

  since the chinese explained it was a friendly balloon, shouldn’t we expect the same from china?.

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  joe134cd

  Two things to consider. In the book of Daniel it talks about the political system in the time of the end as made up of clay and iron. Symbolising that although they would cohabit together, they really wouldn’t mix. Parts of this world power would be strong and at the same time weak. As the poster above put it as “ lf is that of a people obsessed and scared of ghosts, unable to converse without resorting to threats or always having to bang his fist on the table.”

  The 2nd point is that although they don’t like each other they are forced to climb into bed with each other. In order to keep a state of equilibrium. If it come down to China taking on America and it allies. I think America would show its steel like qualities. But for now they are joined together at the foot of the image of Daniels prophecy.
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  Are Both The JW And The Ex-JW Community a Cult?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  charlie ryde writes:.

  let us use the same bite model for determining if something is a cult to both being a jw and being ex-jw.

  mind you this is a short summary.. b- behavioral control.

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  joe134cd

  I wouldn’t go as far as saying the exjw is a cult. But I have wondered if it is becoming an industry in itself e.g Lloyd Evans.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: Zoom Cancelled Love Jehovah Go Back to In Person Meetings

  by HiddlesWife in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a new video posted by the exjw critical thinkers jt & lady cee:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvmulzbczvm&t=1s.

  i had a hunch that wt was going to do so, but this is happening quite soon.

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  joe134cd

  It will be interesting to see how this pans out. I still see a very empty car park in the Kingdom Hall in my local area. My elderly father tells me the meeting attendance can be any where from 50-70 in attendance. In a cong that claims about 100 publishers.
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
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  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  joe134cd

  If they know what’s good for them. My advice would be just stop mentioning it, and hope that with the passing of time it will be forgotten.
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  Watchtower Accepts Money from the Norwegian gambling Authority

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  great find jonas!!!.

  https://youtu.be/yfqffc7vczo.

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  joe134cd

  Oh wow just wow. This reminds me when pictures were emerging of the national flags bern placed on KH in Chile, and apostates themselves were claiming a conspiracy of apostate driven lies. Then, what do you know, it turns out to be true. Honestly this organisation just baffles me.
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  Older Sister Disfellowshipped

  by EmptyInside in

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  2. friends

  my brother told us that sr. so and so ,was disfellowshipped.

  now ,she is in her late 60's.

  i just had a feeling it was for apostasy.

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  joe134cd

  I’m really in 2 minds about the benefits of trying to, or been awake, at such a senior age. I feel sorry for this women in coming to terms with her life. My question is will her physical health be good enough to survive it. If my PIMI elderly father was put into this situation it would certainly kill him.