yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
They likely blamed it on god. The flood for example. It was gods punishment on the evil people. I'm assuming that the 'evil' people also included children and babies etc. Probably all things they didn't understand was from god directly.
Given that modern christians know about plate tetonics and the natural causes of disasters I find it more repulsive to pass it off as morally okay today than back then.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Sorry.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Tec banned?
I find her beliefs vile, and her tagline wishes of peace and love etc make me barf. But I agree that she mostly responds to questions (with drivel of course), and does provide an alternative voice to the forum (two if you include the one she hears in her head).
Would you reconsider banning her?
Maybe under some conditions to tone down thread derailment and excessive christian greetings.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
zound made the best contribution by saying that "God CAN communicate with his 'pets' if he wants to." But this also presumes that such communication would be in our best interests. There is no particular reason to logically presume that.
Notice how many people actually talk to their dogs when they are being taken to the vet? - saying 'it'll be okay little buddy, just a jab and you'll be fine." Most moral people even though it's fruitless, desire to assure their pets it will be okay and that they are only doing the best for them.
Now, imagine you're Doctor Dolittle and had the actual capacity to communicate to your dog in his language. Granted, perhaps instead of giving him the entire history of medicine you might give him enough information to satisfy his questions. Perhaps if you had a particularly inquisitive dog you might take the time to explain vaccinations and medicine etc etc in simple terms so he can understand. If his mind just isn't up to the task you could take him as far as you can to understanding, or even use simple illustrations that he could grasp.
God doesn't have to explain everything to his 'pets' - just enough information to satisfy their righteous indignation of seeing him allow thousands of innocent people to die. He can speak our language - he supposedly CREATED our language. If our minds can't take the 'mysterious' explanation of why allowing thousands to die is moral, then I'm sure he can impart enough information in our tongue to satisfy our questions and allow us to trust him.
He doesn't. Not even close. In fact I'm fairly confidence his apathy when it comes to interfering in suffering (or explaining it) is what causes most to lose faith that he exists (talking about the christian god here - the god of love).
His best effort of communicating is by whispering in the ear of tammy-like people who play chinese whispers with the rest of us, or start their own cults.
As usual he comes across as either non-existant, apathetic and immoral, or a blundering moron. None of which is worthy of respect let alone worship.
Perhaps it's time to put this dog illustration to sleep now? (pardon the pun)
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
The dog owner CANNOT properly communicate with the dog even if he wanted to.
God CAN communicate with his 'pets' if he wants to.
In short, god has some explaining to do... NOT leaving it up to his hapless followers to try their best to explain for him with their 'inferior, pet-like minds' (just look at this thread, they airn't doing too well)
are christians offended by this statue?
is it the sin of idolatry?.
you shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth..
Are christians offended by this statue? Is it the sin of idolatry?
You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Could I just add..
There's a few arguments that 'love' may be in the eye of the beholder - we may not understand god's 'love' just as a pet being taken to the vet doesn't understand that his owner is just doing it out of love. To the pet it seems malicious.
Pet owners can't communicate to their pets.
It states clearly in the bible that god is love (even jesus says it for those who like to dismiss the OT). Jesus could have used any number of words or explanations, but said that god is love - KNOWING that we as humans might see a 'loving' act of god (allowing people to be destroyed by tsunami) and interpret it as malicious - but he didn't bother to explain that god's 'love' is on another level. He was a man that spoke in illustrations constantly - why couldn't he have used the pet owner illustration himself to clarify this?
He used the word love, which we humans relate to as kind, protective, helpful, empathetic etc etc.
On a side note - I'm no one's pet. Or slave for that matter.
get ready for all the pointless, stupid speculation folks.
or maybe not, do modern dubs even remember or care about this aspect of their end-times nuttery?.
un panel confronts vatican on child sex abuse by clergy.
I always secretly thought the harlot pictures were hot when I was a jw kid. False religion looked damn sexy to me.
get ready for all the pointless, stupid speculation folks.
or maybe not, do modern dubs even remember or care about this aspect of their end-times nuttery?.
un panel confronts vatican on child sex abuse by clergy.
Yes I know, but that was before they got in bed with them and agreed to diseminate positive information through their magazines about the UN. Now they have to speak in code to the sheep.
get ready for all the pointless, stupid speculation folks.
or maybe not, do modern dubs even remember or care about this aspect of their end-times nuttery?.
un panel confronts vatican on child sex abuse by clergy.
Even though nations may agree on few things, they unite in their determination...
They've really gone out of their way to say the united nations without actually naming the united nations. Because they are the harlot - the hypocrites.
