Perry:
Hillary,You pulled the same disappearing act on me several weeks ago when you said that you would "posit" your souurce of the knowledge of good and bad in something called "social conditioning" .
Here, is a 10 minute Richard Dawkins piece on shifting moral zeitgeist, that is related and enlightening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ9JMUFIVqE
j
Mouthy:
J I see where your picture is the court jester. Very fitting LOL.......Didnt they used to call them fools>>?
O.K. so it took the foolish thing in the world to put the wise to shame... Are you teaching Perry???
Well MY vote is for Perry!!!! In MY book you lost....Your rudeness to Perry was petty, small minded, cruel.
Dear Gracie, actually I would be the first to admit I'm a fool, which is why I use it as an avatar. If you read my posts at all you will see I have no animosity towards people, only some beliefs and ideas. We are not our beliefs.
Interesting that the little story you have created in your mind about me ignores the positive statements where I tell Perry "the truth of what he is is the light of my life", and instead you embrace what you see as negative, even "cruel". I told him I meant it endearingly, and that was the truth. Perhaps what really pisses you off is my not embracing your god. This, I understand. Whenever I mention our true Source as being infinite and without end, it most always angers Christians who tenaciously argue for a lesser god. Even -- it seems -- in a thread they start about how "awesome" God is. If it weren't so sad, I'd wet my pants laughing (at least then I would have an excuse).
That I do not embrace your idea of God, dear Grace, does not mean I wouldn't like to give you a big old hug and kiss....or several.
j
Perry, where does your god begin and end? Or does it?
j
ok, i know what you're thinking: "duh, what took you so long!
" "is this guy nuts?".
but i can prove it.. nothing is better than god, right?.
What Nathan said.
I am not judging you, Perry. For what you truly are is the light of my life. It's your shithead beliefs that I find pathetic.
j
Dear Perry, for you "shithead" was a term of endearment. As far as the rest of your post, it is clear we are not communicating at all. Which is likely my fault.
j
Dear nvrgnbk, though I am very often remiss in acknowledging your warm comments towards my posts, please let me assure you that they are always noticed and appreciated.
j
who pays for your sin?
What sin? Some book tells us we are a sinful asshole and so we wallow in it? That's sick.
When there is no mental commentary of sin, were is this sin? There is none, there is only this precious moment of now. When there is no mental commentary of "I am this thing, or I am that thing", then what are you? You are the precious indescribable conscious moment of now, the only Reality there is.
You are grossly lost in a story created in the mind. Look past the mind and it's beliefs and enter into the truth, actuality and peace of the present moment of being.
Only in your Bible and it's stories -- or better said: only in your mind for believing such stories -- is the Divine and pure nature of your own being so pathetic, as to be absent.
Stop reducing the wholeness of the Christ to a tiny thing far away. Who the hell are you to do that? Shithead!
Allow the perfection of the Christ and the infinity of no beginning and no end that it deserves....and then ponder silently on what that makes you genuinely just beneath all the bullshit lies.
Be still, and know...
j
Perry:
I was talking about you and the problem of sin that the god you describe does not address. It leads me to believe that either he does not care about justice or he does not care about you and me. ThiBut,s subject is simply ignored in your view of god. I belive it to be very dangerous to ignore this.
Yes, I understand how you are viewing this and how it seems I am ignoring the dichotomy of "evil".
Though the mind which dwells in dualities can not comprehend it, there is That which exists before all definable differences, as pure non-duality and complete perfection and wholeness.
It is the foundational Reality of all existence, and as such can be realized as our own true Self when there is a thorough investigation in and through all senses of duality and fragmentation.
It can not be captured in a religion or belief system, or in a personal god. It's too big. Too immediate. Too all encompassing. It is what we all are just beneath all the fragmented thingness we believe ourselves and others to be. We are the very perfection and wholeness we seek. It requires sincere and earnest, ruthlessly honest and open investigation into our most intimate and vibrant senses of being and existing. It requires a looking past everything ever believed to be. ...(especially our "sinfulness").
The greatest journey ever, is to here.....where you are already.
j
Perry, I have told you before that I have -- with acute awareness -- seen within this body and mind the ability to commit the most vile of atrocities. it happened because radical honesty and openness is a requisite of authentic inner investigation, which I feel is important in coming to know what is true, and what is not; and chances are good that if you had breasts, a vagina and a nice curvy ass I'd be lusting after you as well. So what! We're not talking about me, we were discussing the sense of awe at such a wondrous and vast expression of life and nature, and whether we are motivated to attribute such beauty to something finite and small....such as an anthropomorphic deity, or something more.
The basic difference between our approach is that my sense of what the word G-O-D points to is unconditionally without beginning and end. It is what all existence: universes, things and gods exist within. On the other hand you and many others seem to tenaciously champion one of these little gods. You are free to do that. Just don't think i'm a fool for not.
j
An extraordinary claim, but you do provide some extraordinary evidence...
