Posts by Seraphim23

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The WT Society, Global Warming, and the NWO

by lambsbottom in

was just looking at how many articles the wt put out around the time when al gore was pitching the global warming bs for his nwo (new world order) friends.. .

http://nypost.com/2013/12/05/global-warming-proof-is-evaporating/.

wt would rather jws to:.

Seraphim23

I’m a theist but I have to agree with my atheist friends about global warming being true and the world trade bombings not being a valid conspiracy theory. There are many firelighter witness statements regarding building seven being structurally damaged and in danger of collapse before it actually did so.

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Nelson Mandela - comments of what his life meant to you

by MMXIV in

nelson mandela has passed on.

he was a symbol of hope and peace to many.

has his life and achievements meant anything personal to members of jwn?.

Seraphim23

To me he is another along the lines of Christ who to me started it and Ghandi and so on, who seemed to have taught and demonstrated that wars against injustice are best fault with the most powerful weapon of all, forgiveness of enemies and the ability to take the blows of others with grace. Wars hurt but these people fight to take the blows themselves, so others do not have to.

Forgiveness, self-sacrifice and a new definition of passive resistance that is not passive but can defeat knives, tanks, and bombs while actually reducing the number of causalities that would result with the conventional emotional weapons evolutionary history has equipped humanity with instinctively.The defeat of fear!

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The life differences between a good christian and good athiest

by EndofMysteries in

let's compare a christian who goes to a non judgemental / non guilt trip church which focuses really on the gospels, jesus teachings on being non judgemental, anything out of love there is no law against, and they contribute to society.

then an athiest who if you put side by side w/ the above christian, you would not know any difference unless you asked their beliefs.

both are good people, who are able to lead lives doing what they want, enjoying their life, and trying to help their neighbors too.

Seraphim23

It would lack sincerity to me and therefore credibility. It’s like asking others to sacrifice for others but not by doing it oneself.

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The life differences between a good christian and good athiest

by EndofMysteries in

let's compare a christian who goes to a non judgemental / non guilt trip church which focuses really on the gospels, jesus teachings on being non judgemental, anything out of love there is no law against, and they contribute to society.

then an athiest who if you put side by side w/ the above christian, you would not know any difference unless you asked their beliefs.

both are good people, who are able to lead lives doing what they want, enjoying their life, and trying to help their neighbors too.

Seraphim23

Your approach seems sensible to me DS211.

Speaking for myself I don’t see a conflict with science and theism. When I accepted evolution as true, I thought that this is how God must have done it then. So I ended up with a view on how it worked from the visible side and why it was there in the first place from the invisible side.

I guess that I believe in the concept of truth as being a single all-encompassing concept, which is why science works I suppose and also the concept of all-encompassing purpose, as opposed to small examples of relative purpose that only relate to descriptions.

So the snail evolves a shell which is why it has one, for protection. This is a relative purpose because the reason relates to the processes that led to it. It’s not ultimate purpose though because the processes of evolution don’t explain the process of evolution as a whole. For that one needs to go beyond just it. So just as all things that science measures are seen as fundamentally one single thing, energy, which is why all things seem to relate to each other in different ways, I think this is also the case with purpose. One truth and one purpose but these two are not the same thing on a fundamental level.

I’m not sure I explained this well but it was worth a try.

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The life differences between a good christian and good athiest

by EndofMysteries in

let's compare a christian who goes to a non judgemental / non guilt trip church which focuses really on the gospels, jesus teachings on being non judgemental, anything out of love there is no law against, and they contribute to society.

then an athiest who if you put side by side w/ the above christian, you would not know any difference unless you asked their beliefs.

both are good people, who are able to lead lives doing what they want, enjoying their life, and trying to help their neighbors too.

Seraphim23

Zound it’s the whole package of his death and life that led up to it. It’s the reasons he died and the way he responded and what he stood up for, and critically important is the resurrection after. One simply can’t reduce this down because each aspect plays a part. If someone says they love someone to someone else but never demonstrate it, one would begin to smell a rat and that person on the receiving end will feel unloved. If they feel unloved it is very much the same as feeling not good enough and not feeling good enough is the same as holding oneself as guilty on a deep inner level. In this way sins are forgiven but it’s not legalistic forgiveness. Its indirect forgiveness though love to enable direct self-forgiveness. It’s all about self-empowerment through non selfishness means. The thing with love is that it is hard to pin down. Either people get this or they don’t.

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The life differences between a good christian and good athiest

by EndofMysteries in

let's compare a christian who goes to a non judgemental / non guilt trip church which focuses really on the gospels, jesus teachings on being non judgemental, anything out of love there is no law against, and they contribute to society.

then an athiest who if you put side by side w/ the above christian, you would not know any difference unless you asked their beliefs.

both are good people, who are able to lead lives doing what they want, enjoying their life, and trying to help their neighbors too.

Seraphim23

It was kind of rhetorical but I wasn’t talking about the blues, I was talking about depression. Anyhow yes it makes a difference to me, just saying `get over it` doesn’t really help or inspire. Jesus may well have known what it was like to die before he did, but I don’t and that’s the point. It wasn’t for him he died it was for others.

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The life differences between a good christian and good athiest

by EndofMysteries in

let's compare a christian who goes to a non judgemental / non guilt trip church which focuses really on the gospels, jesus teachings on being non judgemental, anything out of love there is no law against, and they contribute to society.

then an athiest who if you put side by side w/ the above christian, you would not know any difference unless you asked their beliefs.

both are good people, who are able to lead lives doing what they want, enjoying their life, and trying to help their neighbors too.

Seraphim23

I’ll answer that with a question Zound if I may. When I have felt depressed or profoundly sad or even unloved, all of which I have experienced in my time when say a relationship broke up, or when my pet cat died and felt I didn’t do enough to help or prevent the things that occurred, I didn’t want the company of those who didn’t understand sadness or emotion but those who did. I wanted them to share my pain for them to feel some of my own agony so that I might feel some relief. Those protecting themselves from pain said things like `pull yourself together` or there are loads more fish ion the sea. They didn’t get down and dirty with me in my pain. Misery loves company. So when you’re depressed do you put happy clappy music on to cheer you up, or something melancholy? A teacher in armed combat who has never fought on the battle field might inspire a few a bit but one who has a leg blown off inspires more I dare say.

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The life differences between a good christian and good athiest

by EndofMysteries in

let's compare a christian who goes to a non judgemental / non guilt trip church which focuses really on the gospels, jesus teachings on being non judgemental, anything out of love there is no law against, and they contribute to society.

then an athiest who if you put side by side w/ the above christian, you would not know any difference unless you asked their beliefs.

both are good people, who are able to lead lives doing what they want, enjoying their life, and trying to help their neighbors too.

Seraphim23

It wasn’t suicide; he was killed for clearing out the temple of religious leaders defrauding poor people and also that it was a part of the temple meant for all people, Jews and non-Jews to come to worship and debate about God. It’s also not erotic obsession type of love but a far deeper type than that. The principle of love! He was killed in the course of feeding the poor and trying to release them from religious oppression. He allowed it to happen however as the last statement of a life course well lived. This allowing it to happen is the sacrifice. He also didn’t vent anger at those who tortured him but forgave them. A good example in how to destroy enemies is by making them friends in such a way. One has to have love in them to a strong degree in order to do things like that, which inspires people to live and forgive themselves.

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The life differences between a good christian and good athiest

by EndofMysteries in

let's compare a christian who goes to a non judgemental / non guilt trip church which focuses really on the gospels, jesus teachings on being non judgemental, anything out of love there is no law against, and they contribute to society.

then an athiest who if you put side by side w/ the above christian, you would not know any difference unless you asked their beliefs.

both are good people, who are able to lead lives doing what they want, enjoying their life, and trying to help their neighbors too.

Seraphim23

The way I see it is that if someone is willing to show someone that they are worth something against their own inner self telling them they are not worth anything, the last resort to prove it is by sacrificing for them rather than just words telling them. People do this in miniature whenever they purchase a gift for someone else, but this is not always enough to penetrate the heart. The ultimate expression is to allow oneself to die as the ultimate gift. Not that the gift is the dead body but the reason for being killed. The reason would be dying for things that promote love. Such things like mercy, honestly, championing the cause of the poor and so on.

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The life differences between a good christian and good athiest

by EndofMysteries in

let's compare a christian who goes to a non judgemental / non guilt trip church which focuses really on the gospels, jesus teachings on being non judgemental, anything out of love there is no law against, and they contribute to society.

then an athiest who if you put side by side w/ the above christian, you would not know any difference unless you asked their beliefs.

both are good people, who are able to lead lives doing what they want, enjoying their life, and trying to help their neighbors too.

Seraphim23

Not sure what you mean?