Posts by confuzcious

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Hope I'm the first on this one...Classic.

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family suing over hell prediction at funeral

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jul 17, 8:40 am et .

confuzcious

Family Suing Over Hell Prediction at Funeral

Email this story Jul 17, 8:40 am ET By Zelie Pollon

SANTA FE, N.M (Reuters) - A New Mexico family is suing their local Catholic church over a funeral Mass in which they claim a priest said their relative was only a middling Catholic and going straight to hell.

Lawyers for the family of Ben Martinez said on Tuesday they had filed a lawsuit in June against the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Santa Fe and one of its priests.

Court papers filed last month say that Rev. Scott Mansfield said at Martinez's funeral last year that the deceased was "living in sin," "lukewarm in his faith" and that "the Lord vomited people like Ben out of his mouth to hell."

Martinez, 80, died June 17, 2002. Roughly 200 people attended the funeral at St. Patrick's Parish in Chama, New Mexico, a small town north of Santa Fe. Family members say he was a practicing Catholic all his life, but was too ill to attend church in the last year of his life.

Nine members of the Martinez family are seeking punitive and compensatory damages for severe emotional and physical suffering. Lawyers did not say how much the family was seeking in damages.

One of the plaintiffs said the townspeople "are staring at her, thinking her father is in hell," their lawyers said.

The complaint also said that as Mansfield walked to the grave, he laced his comments about Martinez -- a former town councilman -- with profanities.

"These people are profoundly hurt," said attorney Kathleen Kentish-Lucero, representing the Martinez family. "If you are Catholic and a representative of your church says your father is going to hell, that's perhaps the most devastating thing someone can say to you."

But church officials deny the family's claims.

"We deny the allegations and Father Mansfield denies the plaintiff's allegations," said Celine Baca Radigan, director of communications for the Archdiocese of Santa Fe.

Radigan said that Mansfield has been moved to a parish outside of Albuquerque on a routine transfer.

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Fireworks... Pure Joy.

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for all of you from the u.s.a.. just did fireworks for the first time in years.. it's independence day here.. very very fun!!!

!.

confuzcious

More than anything, I just felt like a kid again... you know???

I mean, I would like these big old bottle rockets (remember them) and run away real fast before all hell breaks loose.

I guess when I was a kid, there was an element of danger involved (slim as it was). But it was really fun.

I live on the beach, so in some parts of the city it's ok to shoot fireworks into the ocean.

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Fireworks... Pure Joy.

by confuzcious in

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for all of you from the u.s.a.. just did fireworks for the first time in years.. it's independence day here.. very very fun!!!

!.

confuzcious

Yes. I'm LUCKY...

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Fireworks... Pure Joy.

by confuzcious in

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for all of you from the u.s.a.. just did fireworks for the first time in years.. it's independence day here.. very very fun!!!

!.

confuzcious

For all of you from the U.S.A.

Just did fireworks for the first time in YEARS.

It's Independence Day here.

VERY VERY FUN!!!!

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Do You Know Of Reasons Why Some Got Removed From Their Privileges?

by minimus in

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pioneer, ms, elder publisher???

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confuzcious

LaCapra,

I know MS and others who where bashed because they shaved their head.

They said they were trying to imitate Micheal Jordan. This is also like a year ago.

I was appalled. These were 30 something year old grown men who were going bald and decided not to do the "swoop over" thing.

Give me a break.

Just makes you appreciate Jesus more... "He will not judge on the mear appearance of the eyes."

Con

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Open letter to BLONDIE and anyone else for help...

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blondie and others.... an elder just gave me a print out of an old question from the readers.

i don't have the month and year, but it was the one that said.... "is jesus the mediator of just the spirit annointed or all mankind...".

is it possible, for blondie or anyone else to please help me out and give a "play by play" of the article similar to what blondie does with the weekly watchtower???.

confuzcious

Blondie and others...

An elder just gave me a print out of an old Question from the Readers.

I don't have the month and year, but it was the one that said...

"Is Jesus the mediator of just the spirit annointed or all mankind..."

Is it possible, for Blondie or anyone else to please help me out and give a "play by play" of the article similar to what Blondie does with the weekly Watchtower???

I would scan the article and put it here, but I don't have a scanner.

Thanks in advanced guys.

Confuzcious

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Why do most brothers work in the cleaning business?

by JH in

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when i joined the jw's many years ago, i couldn't get over how many were working in the cleaning business.

i know this permitted them to go to the meetings, out in the field service, and work without any conflict.. where did this trend start?

is it like this world wide?

confuzcious

Guys,

All the above are accurate, but it's also because the lower the prestige of the job, the higher the JW prestige.

In other words, it's that "Look how humble I am. I have a cleaning business," mentality.

The lower your "worldly" status in life, the higher you are viewed upon as a Dub.

Floors, Cleaning, Windows = Elder

Paintless Dent Repair, Painting, Car Tinting = MS

Any other job = Publisher

Any management level job = Bad Association.

You know it bro...

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The Society's response to my letter regarding my dad's suicide

by cruzanheart in

well, i finally got a response to my letter, and it only took them almost three months!

models of efficiency, they are.

actually, big tex and i think they had to run this through the legal department.

confuzcious

Dear Nina and Big Tex,

I want to say how sorry I am that all this has happened to you guys.

My best friend committed suicide 7 years ago. He was an MS, and they removed him on a technicality. He was the "brother in charge" during a cruise and some of the younger "sisters" got drunk and he was to blame.

After he was removed, his wife - now feeling she was married to a "nobody," left him.

He then committed suicide.

I have since dealt with is death. Although I will never be over it, I've dealt with it.

But one thing that has changed me forever was the way his memory was treated afterward.

I was counciled by an elder AT THE HOSPITAL for crying because, after all, "He just committed self-murder."

This affected me profoundly, because at the time, I thought it I was sinning for having feelings and it took me a long time to come to grasps with my own feelings.

Anyway, about 5 years later, I got into trouble. It was my fault. But I got removed as an MS.

People looked down upon me as pond scum.

The worst part about it, was that I and my wife, pioneered for 9 years straight.

I CARRIED people spiritually. I bandaged the weak. I poured oil on the sick.

I gave my heart and soul to the organization.

I not only kept the "law," but I kept each and every one of their "unwritten" laws. I was a model JW.

But the day they stripped me of the "title," it was as if nothing I ever did mattered.

I know your father must have felt this way, but I felt like a 10 ton Bull who not only carried myself, but half the congregation with me.

But the day the Bull gets sick, he was not cared for but sent out to the slaughter.

And I am not stupid. I see these looks people give me.

But to add salt to the injury, I was always counciled that, "Oh, you're exagerating." and "Oh, really??? I don't see anyone that is looking at you differently."

Tex and Nina, my heart goes out to you. And especially to your father.

But understand that I know his feelings.

With much love,

Confuzcious

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Watching an elder sh*t in his pants... priceless.

by confuzcious in

cable modem and monthly service charge - $39.95.. paperback copy of ray franz "crisis of conscience" - $19.95.. watching an elder sh*t in his pants... priceless.. one thing i learned is that elder's hate to look bad in front of the c.o.. after numerous attempts to ask the c.o.

for a shepharding call to go over injustices in the congregation, i finally ran into the c.o.

while having his 11:00 coffee break with the congregation.. till then, the elders would stone wall everytime i would ask for a shepharding call from the c.o.

confuzcious

Cable modem and monthly service charge - $39.95.

Paperback copy of Ray Franz "Crisis of Conscience" - $19.95.

Watching an elder sh*t in his pants... priceless.

One thing I learned is that elder's HATE to look bad in front of the C.O.

After numerous attempts to ask the C.O. for a shepharding call to go over injustices in the congregation, I finally ran into the C.O. while having his 11:00 coffee break with the congregation.

Till then, the elders would stone wall everytime I would ask for a shepharding call from the C.O. That is because they knew I would make them look bad for their lack of shepharding.

Well this week, the C.O. was in town and like half the congregation is hanging out in the coffee shop.

I just happened to be going there and run into all the dubs.

So I asked if the C.O. was there and one of the sisters pointed him out to me.

You should have seen the look on the elder's faces because the view me as a big trouble maker ever since I stood my ground - and justifiably so, to the "big-wig" elder here.

So I asked the C.O. to talk privately and I told him about all the injustices I've faced due to the elders.

Guys, you had to be there.

Remember, I'm not DF or DA, but just not going to meetings.

For everything else, there is Mastercard.

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My Letter to the Elders in My Late Father's Congregation

by cruzanheart in

well, guys, here it is.

it's going in the mail tomorrow.

it's for me but, dad, it's also for you.

confuzcious

Wow.

Beautiful letter.