Posts by nightvision

sounds like via your own bible reading you've discovered that for believers there is only one group not the two group, 'first class' and 'second class' as taught by the WBTS .

A good passage of scripture that clearly can prove this is Galations 4v22-27 . here is the question that you can ask your partner , 'if spiritual Israel is limited to just 144,000 , why does the apostle Paul hear clearly state that the sons of spiritual Israel will outnumber the sons of literal Israel ?' . hmmmm , that's a real head scratcher .

What do you love about being a JW?

by FL_Panthers in

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friends

as the title says, share what you love about the truth!.

we know that the gb or anything else in the truth is all true and nothing is false!.

love u guys xxx.

nightvision

only one thing .

The Sisters .

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Blood, The Watchtower and Deceit

by Maximus in

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while much attention is given to doctrine in sites such as this, very little is noted about the watchtower societys intellectual dishonesty in its publications, especially when it comes to quotations.. oftentimes the societys writers will cite a scholar or author of some repute: "professor blank observes that blah, blah, blah.

" the reader assumes from the quotation that professor blank is in agreement with the organizations position, of course, and that the quotation chosen accurately depicts the authors thoughts.. heres the catch: the words between the quotation marks may be accurate, but the snippet may not at all faithfully represent someones actual thesis or position.

much like a newspaper ad for a movie that quotes a reviewer as saying "monumental!

nightvision

bravo

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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

by BluePill2 in

before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

nightvision

would love to hear more when the time is right bp2 .

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They came by MY house today!

by Pistoff in

color me gobsmacked.. i am home this morning, banging away at bookwork at the kitchen counter, when i hear the doorbell.. (when my doorbell rings, it is an event; i live one mile off the road.

no casual visitors here, no salesmen.).

i look out the side window, i see a minivan i don't recognize.. i peek at the front door, and there are 2 elders at the door, what the hell?.

nightvision

That bookwork gal sounds like hotstuff ,over the kitchen counter huh? Kudos .

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Sighhhhhhhh, the Draw Close to Jehovah book again for the Congregation Bible Study.

by Stand for Pure Worship in

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check out this gem from the dec 2013 km which explains why it's good to over this book a second go round.. "congregations previously considered this book during 2004 and 2005. however,for many of the approximately two million publishers who have come into the truth since then,this will be the first time that jehovahs endearing qualities have been discussed in detail.for those who studied the book before, the review will help them to deepen their appreciation forjehovahs attributes.ps.119:14".

i gotta kick out of this because i can only think of maybe two or three new ones in our congregation who weren't present when this book was first studied.

at the same time, going over jehovah's qualities isn't something new.

nightvision

SFPW

Please update us regarding how your personal research is going re JW doctrines IE :607-1914 , the generation , the 2 class 2 hopes , the 144000 (literal number or symbolic) , the faithfull and wise slave (parable or prophecy ) ?

As a regular poster on here it would seem highly improbable that you havent been doing some research outside of watchtower publications .

Have you taken a different view or reviewed any previously held beliefs regarding any of the above subjects ?

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Which people in here (or apostate) would you like to actually meet in person?

by ILoveTTATT in

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i would like to meet so many people!

actually hang out with them and see if we get along after meeting in person!.

here's my list:.

nightvision

My List

Joan Cetnar(would love to meet joan as her and the wonderful Bill got me started in the first place , would love to give her a big hug )

Dan Hall

Brian Garcia

Raypublisher

Wendy Tucker

Danmera

Carl olaf Johnson

have my own reasons for wanting to meet each one of these great guys .

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What Happens at Judicial Committee Meeting on Apostasy

by passwordprotected in

this was a famous case here in the uk, based around the experiences of matt barrie (aka hobo ken).

we've uploaded the audio recording of his judicial committee meeting with the glasgow bishopbriggs congregation elders and you can listen/download the (long) unedited file here:.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k1pajlf7duc5zgh/matt%20judicial%20raw.mp3.

nightvision

Was great to hear this again .

Mathew displays some fancy footwork throughout both these obscene proceedings . sticks to his guns superbly .

in the end its so obvious they couldnt get him on any wrong doing without violating there own rules , so they ultimately execute

him because they didnt want a smart inteligent guy like him around who they couldnt mentally control .

As an aside, i only wish Mathew did challenge them on the 607 issue , at least in the form of a question. He's so smart , im sure he would have

ran rings around their fraudulent doctrine .

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What level of IQ does one have, to beleive " TRUTH " changes. ? or old "Light " old truths " New Light " new truths " ?

by smiddy in

okay, i never went to university , or had a college education, though i`m damn sure that "truth" is "truth" and it never changes.. if you" beleived "something was the truth in the past and now found out it was not correct , you cant say it was an" old " truth ,it must have been wrong/false reasoning in the first place......so it was never really the truth.. sure you can be aware of a "new" truth something you never knew beforehand , though whether you knew it or not ,it has always been a truth.

example:the earth was the centre of the universe ,beleived as a truth.........that beleif was false , it was not an old truth.. if their was something you beleived before as true and you now find it wasnt true , then it was false / untrue .. their is no such thing as an "old truth " and a "new truth" that is apparently accepted by jehovahs witnesses .. if jehovahs witnesses were as honest as they profess , then they would acknowledge when they make adjustments to their beleifs/doctrines that they were wrong in their initial understanding of said scriptures instead of passing it off as old truths or new light.. i was a witness for 33 years before it became obvious something was just not right with this religion and it took another 10-12 years before i found this site , that set me free.

so i ask , is it an iq level ?

nightvision

Im convinced that a significant proportion of those still in are not in it for the truth . in fact truth is probably way down on the list of things that they are there for . for example , social outlet , community with other like-minded people , fear of the outside world , dating/marriage mate etc , these things are way more important than truth to many of them still in .

Secondly because they are captive to to the concept that these 8 muppets in brooklyn somehow have a batphone to god , even if a so-called truth has had more tweeks than lapdancers' nipple they accept it because they just imagine that these guys have an elevated level of understanding that they dont and so should just therefore accept it because its beyond their level of comprehension .

During a recent conversation with my own father where i 'came out' as an appostate and comprehensively destroyed 607 - 1914 , his only response was

'well dates dont matter anyway , its still the truth' .

What !!? dates dont matter to a JW ?. your head could explode trying to reason with people that blind .