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Impact of the Royal Commission of Inquiry on JW policies and procedures

by steve2 in

the royal commission is not yet over.

the summary of findings on jws is not the end of the story.

the legal process is unfolding and the only open question is the extent to which jw organization in australia will be legally mandated to change its policies and procedures on child sexual abuse.. (on the question of shunning those who leave, the commission is well intended but has strayed beyond its legal brief.

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steve2: Main point is jw organization has shown a preparedness to "adjust" policies in a vain effort to make them less disagreeable. In one form or another, jw organization is aware of what a dreadful PR exercise the Royal Commission has become.

You couldn't be more wrong. They haven't (in their opinion) done anything wrong and aren't planning to change anything. Please read Watchtower's response: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4673215653740544/watchtowers-response-royal-commission-shows-they-have-learned-nothing-will-do-nothing

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Australian Royal Commission Findings released

by Mephis in

will just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.

in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.

available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

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"9.345 It is not possible to make such a broad finding based upon the evidence provided to the Commission of a single junior assistant prosecutor."

Now why do need to add the phrase 'of a single junior assistant prosecutor'? I don't care about the age or experience of the person who provides evidence, as long as the evidence is reliable. They may disagree with the finding, but it is low to blame a 'single junior assistent', as if the rest of the commission didn't review the evidence.

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Australian Royal Commission Findings released

by Mephis in

will just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.

in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.

available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

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To be clear: the submission isn't the final report yet.

"The submission will outline key findings based on the hearing’s evidence and the recommendations likely to come from them. The recipients of the submission may then provide their own written submissions in reply.

The Commissioners then consider this information when they form their final recommendations during the course of the Royal Commission." - http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/.../case-studies

As I understand it, the government will review the final policy recommendations and can enact some or all recommendations into law.

What really shocks me is that Watchtower doesn't agree with one single finding. Their response is basically: "not supported by the evidence", "too broad", "incorrect", "should be disregarded", etc. They are so holy; they didn't do anything wrong. It makes me puke.

Take for example their response on the commissions finding "F54 The sanction of disfellowshipping does nothing to protect children in the community". Watchtower's reply begins with: "9.301 No evidence was presented to support the suggested finding." Really? Are they suggesting that they did something to protect children in the community? They go on: "9.304 The suggested finding wrongly assumes a broad obligation upon Jehovah’s Witnesses 'to protect children in the community' but fails to identify how such an obligation exists." #FAIL GO TO THE POLICE!

Morons.

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INSTRUCTIONS FOR OUR CHRISTIAN LIFE AND MINISTRY MEETING

by pixel in

1. the life and ministry meeting will proceed as outlined in the life and ministry meeting workbookand according to the instructions that follow.. 3. treasures from gods word:.

the theme and an outline of two or three main points are provided in thelife and ministry meeting workbook.

this should be assigned to a qualified elder.. 6. concluding comments: 3 minutes or less.

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So - basically - only the male student talks are skipped from the program?

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2015 October 4, BOE!

by Atlantis in

2015 october 4, boe.. .. re: new provisions announced at annual meeting .click the green download button.http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/2s4uiad.... petra!

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The postscript is talking about "Instructions for Our Christian Life and Ministry Meeting (S-38)." I'm very curious to know the exact instructions the elders received about the meeting. Also about the "Our Christian Life and Ministry Meeting Assignment (S-89)".

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Disfellowshipped at 18

by asensier in

you can probably guess how this story goes.. i began dating a non-witness boy.

he knew i was a baptised witness and understood the consequences i faced for dating him.

we agreed to keep our relationship secret, which was easy considering our 200 mile distance.

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Hi asensier, welcome!

First, about your age. I was older (35 to be exact) when I finally realized that what we learned when we were young wasn't the truth©. I've lost many years of my life. You're just 18 and you can still make something of your life.That's actually a good thing.

Secondly, about 'love'. It took me some more years to learn that what JW call 'love' is a very conditional kind of love. Those 'very close friends saying goodbye' aren't real friends. They might use some sweet words now in the hope that you come back, but don't forget that they condemn you by their actions.

You obviously want support of your parents.They are your real parents. My father was disfellowshipped and I always had contact with him. The elders knew about it and I still could serve as ministerial servant and pioneer for many years. So it depends a lot on the region where you're living and how strict their conscious is. I hope you can find a way to restore that contact.

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Hello, just introducing myself

by Miss Behaving in

jw
friends

i've just signed up two days ago, but i've been lurking for about a year and a half.

here's my story if you're interested:.

my parents converted when they were in their first semester of college.

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Welcome! You're still young enough to make something of your life. Good luck with that!

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If The Witnesses Try To Get You Back To Jehovah...How Will You Respond!

by minimus in

jw
friends

i am most curious.

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Give them a copy of Franz' book

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DC2015 New Release: Brochure "Return to Jehovah" for those who faded/left

by Designer Stubble in

it appears that a new 16-page brochure, with the title "return to jehovah" is to be released at the regional convention (dc) this year.

it would be written specifically for those faded or da/df.chapters are:a letter from the governing body1.

the lost one i will search for2.

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2. Anxiety - Hard Pressed in every way
3. Hurt Feelings - When we have a cause for complaint
4. Guilt - Cleanse me from my sin

They want to transmit the idea that DF and inactives are coping with anxiety, hurt feelings and guilt. Let's distinguish 4 groups:

Uber-JW: "Hallelujah!"
Weak JW: "A warning from Jehovah that I should not leave his organization, being DF/inactive sounds awful."
Still believing DF and inactives: "Jehovah and his lovingly organization really want me back..."
Awakened DF and inactives: "Bullshit! We areHappy"

Since the GB isn't interested in the last group, there technique is brilliant and exactly focused at their target groups.

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I need your advice

by cookiemaster in

i need some advice.

actually my friend needs some advice.

a few years ago i moved about 50 km (30 miles) away from the nearest congo and have since tried to live a normal life.

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I agree with ttte36: loosing your faith isn't a reason for disfellowshipping. But it should not appear to the elders he is an opponent or apostate now. So he should try to avoid any dispute about the topic. The tone should be more or less: "Oh, brothers, I loved Jehovah so much. But now... I don't know... I'm struggling. I think my faith has weakened." Next the elders will 'encourage' him to study and to visit the meetings. "Yes, brothers, you're probably right. I will think about that. Thank you so much for your encouragement."