As a post script ... a great way to understand the plight of clones can be found through the character of Sam Bell in the movie MOON. Even if you are not into science fiction films, its worth watching even for its philosophical view.
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The earthly resurrection pipe dream
by Sour Grapes ini woke up this morning thinking about when my mom died about 10 years ago.
she was an avid jdub and was confident that she would be resurrected to an earthly paradise petting zoo.
if i would today go to my mom's house and because god brought her back to life, saw her sitting in her favorite chair, would she really be my mom?
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The earthly resurrection pipe dream
by Sour Grapes ini woke up this morning thinking about when my mom died about 10 years ago.
she was an avid jdub and was confident that she would be resurrected to an earthly paradise petting zoo.
if i would today go to my mom's house and because god brought her back to life, saw her sitting in her favorite chair, would she really be my mom?
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This has been a thing for me for quite some time.
If a person does not have a soul or spirit that lives on after death, that links the two bodies together (the one that has died and the newly built one); then clearly the resurrected person is just a clone ... with the real person dead and gone. With this simple logic beyond most Witnesses, of course.
Of course back in the 1800s, CT Russel had no concept of cloning either, but some other theologians might have when they considered the idea of soul sleep as a way of understanding Ecclesiastes 9:5. And it sort of harmonized the words of Jesus, when he said he was going to wake Lazarus from death.
Not that I'm sure of one idea or another anymore these days.
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North and South Korea making up will start JWs saying the cry of Peace and Security is here
by Isambard Crater ini can see it happening.... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/10/kim-yo-jong-meets-south-korean-president-in-seoul-as-thaw-continues.
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This is politics 101 - You never listen to what politicians say; you only what that they do (and what they have done).
And a very quick examination of NK reveals a leader who literally starves his whole nation to build his nuclear weapons. One that has assassinated close family and friends to remove the risk of political rivalry ... and made his country into a export center for the industrialized production of crystal meth and human trafficking.
So based on these very brief facts, when any problem that arrives in the near future, what could threaten his personal power, what will Kim Jong Un's natural reaction be?
I'll leave it to you to answer it ... but as you to reflect on the truism of Jeremiah 13:23
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North and South Korea making up will start JWs saying the cry of Peace and Security is here
by Isambard Crater ini can see it happening.... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/10/kim-yo-jong-meets-south-korean-president-in-seoul-as-thaw-continues.
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I'm sorry to say, that there is no way that there is going to be peace in Korea. In all likelihood, after the games there will be another missile or nuclear test ... and much sooner than latter, the United States will attempt to surgically strike NK's weapon facilities. NK will not respond well ... and the 'you know what' will hit that fan. Its a given and all the serious press and military/political think tanks are saying it.
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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness
by EdenOne inbased on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
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Any spotlight ion the Organization is a good thing regardless of the outcome. However, it does seem that some old fashioned campaigning is needed here to get those required numbers. Unfortunately I don't live the EU to provide real help, but it looks like a good chance for a few enthusiastic heretics too have their own carts ... to give those in Warwick another thing to worry about.
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You or Family at Uni? Bye bye Ministerial Servants Position
by snugglebunny inkingdom ministry school.
2018 service year.
programme for congregation elders: file:///c:/users/michael/downloads/kms-tk18-e_no8.pdf.
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As a postscript, I just wanted to add that these school outlines are NOT handed out to the Elders who attend. This means that the person who leaked this document is either a CO or upper Bethelite. Which I find quite encouraging.
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You or Family at Uni? Bye bye Ministerial Servants Position
by snugglebunny inkingdom ministry school.
2018 service year.
programme for congregation elders: file:///c:/users/michael/downloads/kms-tk18-e_no8.pdf.
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I was able to get the whole 'official' outline for talk no.8 just by typing into google ... kms-tk18-E_no8.pdf.
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Public Talk quote
by no-zombie indoes anyone who has access to the collection of public talk outlines,and remember the quote "half the world's scientist work on weapons of war" (or words to that effect)?
i used to have them myself, but sadly they are gone.
i'd like to follow that quote back to its original source if i can.
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Does anyone who has access to the collection of public talk outlines,and remember the quote "half the world's scientist work on weapons of war" (or words to that effect)? I used to have them myself, but sadly they are gone. I'd like to follow that quote back to its original source if I can. Thanks
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Is there a way back?
by Gorbatchov inthink this night about former and current leadership of jw.org, and the use of multimedia and broadcasting, imaging a theodore jaracks kind of gb member would be chosen again.. is there a way back possibility for jw.org to end all the multimedia circus and a go of the radar for the gb again?.
a one way street?.
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I've been with the Organization for a long time, all my life actually and I can not remember it ever returning to a arrangement that's been scraped. And while in the past I've personally hoped that the Society would return to the less judgmental and more family like congregations of the pre80s, I now have come to understand that this will never occur.
The Organization has only gotten worse, with it being only more draconian as its power has being taken by the Governing Body completely. And because the Brotherhood now believes the subliminal story that the Governing Body is as good as the 12 apostles, any coup, any move to push a Governing Body member out, any major change doctrinal change would only just expose the lie that it is.
Russell started this train on it's a one way track ... and there is no turning around ... regardless of what lies ahead.
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What Will The Future Hold For Jehovah's Witnesses
by VW.org inas descibed by the title here is a link to reddit of a what i believe is a powerful post with heaps of information.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/7ovq5o/watchtowers_decline_what_will_the_future_hold_for/?utm_source=reddit-android.
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Thanks John Redwood for this information. For me and others I'm guessing, the global data base is the most interesting comment you made. The question I was thinking about when I first read of it was ... Why? Why would the Organization go to the extra expense of creating and maintain a record of every witness, when all the functions that require a current record of a person's status is already being done at a congregational level ... and particularly more so, now that the CO's have the full authority to appoint Elder and Servants without Branch involvement.
For me ... and perhaps I'm going a bit nutty here ... but assigning each witness a number really seems more like an accounting tool. Could we be seeing the moves to introduce personal tithing? I always though it could be on the cards, as a way to solve their financial woes.