Look guys, I know that they have used donated moneys to make investments. But all religions do it. Should we now call the Catholic Church are real estate business too? What about IBM and AT&T. Every corporation invests in real estate. I'm no lover of the Organization and it will be a happy day for me when 8 million people will have to think for themselves ... but until that day comes, wouldn't it be better if we refrained from emotive name calling and put issues like this into its proper perspective?
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Real Estate Business?
by no-zombie ini was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, i got no idea why people are saying that the society is some kind of real estate business.
of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event.
its down sizing by selling the furniture.
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Real Estate Business?
by no-zombie ini was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, i got no idea why people are saying that the society is some kind of real estate business.
of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event.
its down sizing by selling the furniture.
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I was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, I got no idea why people are saying that the Society is some kind of real estate business. Of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event. Its down sizing by selling the furniture. Its like selling your milking cows after you've raised them from caves. It not a 'business' because there is no continuance of the business model. It would be different if the GB sold a hall and bought three more blocks of land for the brothers to build new ones ... but they are not. They are just cashing in.
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2017 - A new year
by no-zombie init hasn't been a good year for the organization.
let's hope 2017 will be just as bad or worse for it.
best wishes to all here, no-zombie.
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Well, 2016 has come and gone. It hasn't been a good year for the Organization. Let's hope 2017 will be just as bad or worse for it. Best wishes to all here, no-zombie. -
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When was the first annual report first issued?
by no-zombie inthe earliest wt annual service report i've found was in the january 1, 1948 issue for the 1947 service year.
was this the first annual report?
or where there earlier ones in other publications?.
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The earliest WT annual service report I've found was in the January 1, 1948 issue for the 1947 service year. Was this the first annual report? Or where there earlier ones in other publications?
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Elders getting burnt up.
by biblexaminer inthe elders in this area are getting burned out.
i have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, i clearly see it.
they can't keep it straight.
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Its been a few years since I stepped down from being an elder and as a result I rarely visit other congregations, however knowing what I used to do and seeing my local elders, I have to say that 90% of the appointed brothers my generation and older have 'checked out' and are in full time pension mode. Most are on holiday somewhere or planning their next one. It was getting so bad in fact that I said to my full-in wife one night at the hall ... "You know darling, even with my bad attitude ... its funny that my meeting attendance is still a lot better than all of our elders". She just had to agree.
So, there's a rot. It can't be treated with Organizational bling, cinematic videos, flashy apps or up beat 'Walt Disney" music. And nothing going to stop the collapse of the classic congregational structure that we've known for a very long time. Because everything that is born ... dies. And if you look into the window of most congregations, you'll see that they are all, very old indeed.
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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To Richard,
I think that there is two or three motivators at play that drive those who post on this forum regarding the child abuse issue. While the weighting of those motivators may differ between individuals, perhaps the one that drives most of us who have not been directly effected would a reaction against the totalitarian rule of the Governing Body and their claim to be God's one-and-only spokesmen. Every person understands the principle of "with power comes responsibility". Yet, despite the fact that the Governing Body has claimed and exercises the total power over every action (and thought) of the brotherhood, they have never accepted the responsibility for the consequences when their decisions result in something bad. As we all know, they have created a history of passing these failures down the line to "some brother's" or have ignored the problems all together. Everyone has a sense of natural justest, and because its clear that the Organization cares more to money than for being honest and helping the victims of child abuse (in one way or another), people can see that just not just right and comment accordingly for action.
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Making a list of the WT properties that's been sold
by no-zombie inin harmony with gorbatchov's topic about the income derived from property sales, i have thought for a while how good it would be to have one combined listing of all the assets the gb has sold together with a "worldly reference" to their prices.
it would be a bit of a task, but if a dump of all the links were made in one place, i could recompile it into one neat listing and repost it..
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In harmony with Gorbatchov's topic about the income derived from property sales, I have thought for a while how good it would be to have one combined listing of all the assets the GB has sold together with a "worldly reference" to their prices. It would be a bit of a task, but if a dump of all the links were made in one place, I could recompile it into one neat listing and repost it.
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When will the construction at Warwick finish?
by no-zombie ini'd like to as the question, when will construction at warwick finish?
will it be before the 2017 agm?i'm asking because, if the construction is basically finished by then, the gb could be free to release more 'new light'.its hardly likely that they would announce big changes that might effect the willingness of their laborers to continue working for free.
so i'm sort of hoping, all the big stuff will be done by then.
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hi scratchme1010
Its clear that the GB don't really care about the brotherhood in any way or on any level. What they do care about is money. But free labor equals money too. And one day, when they are forced to disavow some a long held teaching, whether it's 1914, blood transfusions, disfellowshiping or admit to the child abuse situation, they will find that quite a few may no longer want to turn up at construction sites ... and the GB will have to start paying for "worldly workers". And it would be terrible for them to withhold some "new light" just because their lake-side palace isn't quite finished.
And I actually do look forward the the AGMs and "new light". Not because I believe in, it but because I hoping that they one day they will say or change something that might get my family to start thinking. That all ... you got to have hope.
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When will the construction at Warwick finish?
by no-zombie ini'd like to as the question, when will construction at warwick finish?
will it be before the 2017 agm?i'm asking because, if the construction is basically finished by then, the gb could be free to release more 'new light'.its hardly likely that they would announce big changes that might effect the willingness of their laborers to continue working for free.
so i'm sort of hoping, all the big stuff will be done by then.
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I'd like to as the question, when will construction at Warwick finish? Will it be before the 2017 AGM?
I'm asking because, if the construction is basically finished by then, the GB could be free to release more 'new light'.
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New IBSA Britain Branch Construction Letters
by wifibandit indecember 12, 2016 re: branch relocation project - regional event registration.
december 5, 2016 to all congregations re: branch construction project.
december 5, 2016. to all congregations.
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How much in Dollars (or Euros ... you know what I mean) have they already gained by the sales of their existing properties in London?