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  Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?

  by paradiseseeker in

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  this is my first post, i will introduce myself later.

  first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?

  some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.

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  In addition to what I've just said, is this ... the burden of being strong; is the need to support the weak.
  
  But how can we do that, if so many of our loved ones do not want to hear the truth about the Truth?
  
  For me, I think of things this way.
  
  One day, it might be this year or in ten years time, the Organization will collapse to the point that even the blindest of witness will understand that a cosmic change has occurred. And when it happens, then I'll be there to pick up the pieces of my family and friends. Helping them in any way I can to reintegrate into the real world around them.
  
  We may be a unsung hero, but Its a cross that we must bear ... and an act of kindness that even Jesus would approve.
  
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  Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?

  by paradiseseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is my first post, i will introduce myself later.

  first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?

  some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.

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  What you have said is very interesting, paradiseseeker. And for a fact, for many within the Organization, people think that they have found it a 'safe' environment. However in reality, their 'safety' is quite relative and may be only a illusion, depending upon the makeup of the congregation and the body of Elders who look after it.

  But in reference to the person themselves, I believe that its true that many witness could not cope mentally being in the real world if they where thrust out into it, for whatever reason. And that's why many who are disfellowshiped endure the humiliation of reinstatement just to be allowed back inside their comfort zone.

  And I think that the reason why this is the case, is because people's mindsets ... their frames of reference and values are so set, that they cannot think beyond the parameters that they currently live.

  Is it wrong to try to wake these ones up? That question is a hard one to answer.

  Many posters here in this forum have made reference the movie the Matrix and the red / blue pill moral problem. But even the movie notes, that even they (the movie characters) recognize the problem of freeing a mind that have been plugged into the Matrix too long. "They have trouble letting go" was the comment made. And so it is for real life and the question we are discussing here.
  

  Will all witnesses be better off if we force the real truth upon them? Will everyone's quality of life improve? Or will many become overwhelmed by the cruelties of the real?

  Perhaps we could take some guidance from those in end-of-life care. Is is better to remove the morphine drip out of their arms so that they can reconnected with the real world and be awake to their friends and family ... or do we just let them go peacefully, free of pain and anguish? It a hard situation that I've been in twice.
  

  As a result, I believe that some are just better off as they are ... because many (including many whom I love) will never understand what we know ... nor appreciate our efforts to help. Most have been just plugged in too long to change and are now totally dependent on their synthetic view of the world.

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  Intro

  by jc1985 in

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  hello all, many years i have been lurking on this site.

  gradually i’ve learned the real truth, gone from serving as a servant and at bethel to inactive for almost a year, barely ever wasting time going to meetings.

  my family is large and very active and so is my wife’s so leaving altogether is difficult.. though it seems now that everything is about to change.

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  We all need friends. So do you upmost to join a club that you've always found interesting but never have the time to get involved in the past and make those human connections. Going to university is another option. It will be a bit strange being with 'worldly people' in the beginning but very quickly you'll see that most are non-judgemental and not as immoral as we've lead to believe.
  

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  Crisis of conscience

  by Jrjw in

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  2. beliefs

  hi everyone.

  what does anyone think of the crisis of conscience book?

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  After reading both of Franz's book, 'Crisis of Conscience' and 'In Search of Christian Freedom', I feel that he ultimately was a Reformist at heart despite being disfellowshiped. But no-one can deny the unique insight he gave about in the inner circle of the Governing Body and their thinking. Sadly, you could say the Franz probably did more good after his expulsion from the Organization that while at the head of it ... better late than never, I suppose.
  
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  Worldy governments and the WTBTS are closer than most think

  by no-zombie in

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  every day i read the web log of generational dynamics.

  it a political/current affairs commentary, which over the years has proved to be quite insightful.

  however, today's commentary (for the 23rd) is quite relevant for witnesses and i encourage you to have a look at it, if you have a few minutes.

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  Every day I read the web log of Generational dynamics. It a political/current affairs commentary, which over the years has proved to be quite insightful. However, today's commentary (for the 23rd) is quite relevant for Witnesses and I encourage you to have a look at it, if you have a few minutes. Because for us, its not that hard to see the application between the attitudes and behaviors of certain despotic regimes and our own beloved Governing Body.

  http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ww2010.weblog.htm

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  Latest JW.org Statistics Are Confusing & Lack Context

  by steve2 in

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  2. beliefs

  earlier this week a new post on this forum announced that the 2017 worldwide annual service report was available on jw.org.

  wow - that's earlier than the statistics for the 2016 service year which appeared in the 2017 yearbook last january!

  good effort, jw organization!

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  Like everyone else, I was disappointed the they didn't have the guts to come clean by releasing a full annual report, but ultimately we all should have expected that this would occur at some point in time.

  However far from being bad news, it is actually good. For it is just another proof to all of us, that the Organization's decline is real and that this feeble attempt to muddy the statistics by the Governing Body shows that the best they can come up with is to cover-up what is really going on with the Organization.

  What will occur in the future in regard to the annual report?

  Well remembering that the annual report has not been used the the service meeting for quite some time, there is no actual compelling reason for them to have one. So I recon that next year we'll get even less and it will not bother most witnesses as long as they get their regular fix of Kaleb and Sofia cartoons.

  In the mean time, some interpretation of what we do have conclusively shows the flat-lining of publisher numbers. Whether we examine 'peak publishers' or 'average publishers', the trend is the same, as both follow each other. In actuality the 'peak publishers' figures will always be slightly higher and be slightly more volatile (due to people's emotional situation at the time), but it still can be used as a reasonable indicator while we have the data.

  What ever the GB does though, congregations will continue to contract, halls will continue to be sold ... and the rot will continue it spread.

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  Royal Australian Commission - Recomendations for Jehovahs Witnesses

  by curiousconfused in

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  2. child-abuse

  the report is finally out.......... ————————.

  recommendations to the jehovah’s witness organisation.

  recommendation 16.27. the jehovah’s witness organisation should abandon its application of the two-witness rule in cases involving complaints of child sexual abuse.. recommendation 16.28. the jehovah’s witness organisation on should revise its policies so that women are involved in processes related to invesation and determining allegations of child sexual abuse.. recommendation 16.29. the jehovah’s witness organisation should no longer require its members to shun those who disassociate from the organisation in cases where the reason for disassocia on is related to a person being a victim of child sexual abuse..

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  It was clear from the very beginning that the Organization was not going to cooperate with the ARC and none of us should have expected otherwise. And while bad press is always welcomed, the big ticket item was always going to be the compensation offered to abuse survivors. Unfortunately, the roll out of the redress scheme has been delayed and the following link will help explain some of the reasons.

  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-15/states-reluctant-to-sign-up-to-national-redress-scheme/9259032
  
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  What is you 'red line'?

  by no-zombie in

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  today we hear a lot about red lines in political commentaries these days.

  but for those of us who are pimos, what be your red line?

  what would be the doctrinal change or event that would tip you over the edge into leaving for good, regardless of the repercussions?

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  Today we hear a lot about red lines in political commentaries these days. But for those of us who are PIMOs, what be your red line? What would be the doctrinal change or event that would tip you over the edge into leaving for good, regardless of the repercussions? When I thought about it, I had three ... issues that even my uber JW family could not dismiss offhandedly.
  

  1. Changing the blood position into a conscience matter

  While I already believe that take a blood transfusion should be a conscience matter, the clear and open injustice of it ... all those poor bastards that died for nothing but obeying the commands of men ... would be too hard from me too ignore.
  

  2. Introducing personal Tithing

  The issue of tithing would be the final proof that the Organization is not a Christian religion at all, but a Jewish one with a soft Christian feel good covering and I couldn't remain a part of it. Plus it would show the lack of God's financial blessing by forcing people to contribute.
  

  3. A Nuclear War

  Nuclear War is a lot more survivable than most people think. Devastating, yes ... but quite survivable if your city is not directly targeted. But even a regional attack would indiscriminately kill of thousand or tens of thousands of Witnesses showing that God does not care or protect his so-called people at all. And sadly in this day and age, limited nuclear war is considered by more and more militaries as highly probable and strategically winnable.

  What would be your?
  
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

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  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  I think last month's broadcast video was extremely telling of how things will go for the Organization.

  Despite the extreme legal and financial pressure that the society is getting over its child abuse problems, the Governing Body has taken the steadfast stand not to abandon the two witness rule, claiming the so-called biblical high ground as their backing. This should be the strongest indication to us that any wholesale religious reform of this faith will not occur and this is due ultimately to the fact the Governing Body still believe that they are literally God's hand and mouthpiece, despite evidence to the contrary.
  

  As a result, this defiant stance will only result in the WBTS hitting a wall rather suddenly one day, because the Governing Body members have chosen to wait for a miraculous deliverance of their problems, rather that doing the logical thing of easing the burdens they themselves have created.
  
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  March 2018 Study Watchtower

  by Listener in

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  the first study article is about getting bible studies and children baptized.

  there is much more emphasis placed on parents to get their own children baptized rather than focusing on bible students.

  they try to impress on others the need for urgency.

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  While I haven't read the article, its funny how witnesses can see that its ok for children as young a 8 (and now possibly even lower) getting baptized, when the son of God; Jesus at 12 (who's outstanding spiritual and biblical understanding made the priests in the temple listen in awe) still remained in subjection to his parents and waited until he was 30 (the age of a man by jewish custom) to be baptized by John.

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