Its like a woman who leaves her husband for some Chad, only to get dumped ... and then going ape s**t, when she learns that her former husband has moved on with his life, happy with a younger partner.
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Just had a thought…
by Vidiot ini been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….
…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….
…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….
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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .
by gavindlt inhttps://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.
new light?.
https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.
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The Governing Body now can do and say what they like ... and the Brotherhood will accept it in all joy, if it good news. But the will be few who have lost family and friends, due to the Blood issue and those who have suicided over their disfellowshiping, that will be totally crushed. How will these ones cope, when they fully understand the treachery of the Organization. I just don't know.
How sad its that they too, will just be viewed as the collateral damage, for the greater good.
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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .
by gavindlt inhttps://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.
new light?.
https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.
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Thanks for the link gavindit
If this is true and the Governing Body considers the options from such private consulting firms, it will be a bitter pill for them to swallow. And it would be no wonder that the old timer Tony Morris pull the pin ... but a rude awakening for the newbies, Fleegle and Winder ... when they finally understand the GB just makes up the rules on the go
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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower!
by gavindlt ini would not put this past the corporation at all!
yes this is at the root of there new light.
it’s called compromise.
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I'm just not convinced that the Governing Body is smart enough, to see the urgency in reforming the Church. Because when you see the various performances of the GB members, quite honestly, its dismal.
Jackson's go at the Australian Royal Commission, Splane's attempt to convince us of the 'Generations' prophecy, Herd's southern farm stories, and all the others ... just don't seem to inspire confidence in their intellectual ability.
To save the Jehovah's Witness movement from its slow death, more is needed that just tinkering around the edges and throwing out a few pieces of candy ... its got to be enough for worldly people to take notice.
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How do JWs know that less than 150,000 Christians existed before the 20th Century?
by Vanderhoven7 inaccording to watchtower, only anointed christians existed between the first and 20th centuries.
the great crowd of other sheep only began forming after the 20th century started.. how do they support this conclusion?
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Well according the the Governing Body, all those martyrs ... just weren't Christian enough.
Its funny though, that Jehovah thought that they were good enough to compile the Bible. Yes the Bible canon (the list of books deemed to be inspired) wasn't assembled in the today's form before AD 367.
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The Future
by no-zombie indo you want to see into the future?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhyi3h7beea.
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Do you want to see into the future?
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Has anyone heard of "Secret Disfellowshipping" by Jehovah's Witnesses? Menlo Park Ca. Congregation. Update.
by Balaamsass inno doubt everyone has been following the juan viejo postings regarding the watchtower kingdom hall "grab" on jwn for the last couple of years.
called the mrs and me to say "wow- you have to google this" we did...came here to jwn ...became members..and the rest is history.. in the last nine months i have been calling and emailing contacts in the silicon valley for verification on the societies theft and forced sale of the menlo park kingdom hall (near the new facebook heaquarters) because the story seemed...a little far fetched.
every reliable contact i made has confirmed what juan reported.
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I think that there is two things missing in this thread ...
Firstly, who is the one that benefits from secrete disfellowshiping? The Organization of course. This is because, either the reason why the person is disfellowshiped is dubious ... or the whole case is too embarrassing for them to handle. Thus, played right, secrete disfellowshiping actually works against the Society in the end more than being publicly disfellowshiped, because as when the facts filter out (which they will in time), the story lingers and its smell, last far longer.
But secondly, religions, football clubs and art societies have the right as private institutions, to make up their own rules, as they go along ... and there is nothing ultimately that its members can do about it. So if the Organization somehow legally acquires Kingdom Halls, and then sell them off, well that it. Its just like your Bingo club. Every Thursday night for that past 40 years you've been going, and then someone one the committee wants to change it to Friday night. If they have the voting rights, then its passed and its done. There is no point bitching about it, either we can put up with the change ... or find a new club.
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What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?
by Hellothere inpersonally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.
that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.
i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.
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As I understand things, the American HQ does not support financially countries once the work is 'established'. As a result if Norway ends up in the red, its will be allowed to die on the vine. And in the end we would expect the Norwegian Brothers to see more halls going up for sale and congregation mergers. But I do feel that there is a little more time before we see this happening, as the local Branch could start encouraging publisher 'donations' more ... or put higher levies on the assembly halls, to make up the difference.
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For the Disillusioned
by no-zombie ina problem for all who come to realize that our faith is just another manmade religion, is that we start questioning everything we've previously believed.
where ultimately its possible to spiral down past believing in the bible, to the point of questioning god's actual existence.however while some may be happy to think of themselves now as atheists or agnostics (which i doubt that most really are, as living with the full mental and emotional consequences of being one is a lot harder than most understand), i don't think it is necessary to abandon being a spiritual person.
while others might like the idea of drifting into a modern animistic philosophy (which rather conveniently excludes personal accountability), the keeping of the core teachings of jesus has historically proven to give many people a balanced and practical moral code to live by.but what is meant by the term: 'the core teachings of jesus'?interestingly many thinkers from the enlightenment period of the late 1700s, had similar a question.
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While I'm not going to get into some kind of flame-war with people here, I would like elaborate on what I wrote.
Simply put, there are only two choices a person can make ... either we believe that we are a product of God's creation ... or we evolved and are nothing more than advanced primates.
If we accept the first premise, than we have to also accept the binding task of searching for a spiritual life and that a certain standard of behavior is expected.
However if we believe in the the second premise ... then morality, marriage, societal behavior, in fact our whole understanding of right and wrong, are just unreal constructs that vary between person to person and circumstance to circumstance. We also have to accept what evolutionary psychologists say about the human species (driven purely by sex and survival) is absolutely true too. Therefore, when we read of a person rapes another, we shouldn't get upset ... no ... because that person is just doing is doing what is actually, biologically natural; driven their own sexual needs. Similarly if a person kills another person to take their resources, they are going what is natural; driven by want, through the conservation of energy.
Additionally, when bad things happen to ourselves or our family, if we are true atheists, we should just be able to write those things off, because the so-called culprits, were simply living up to their true nature ... as what happens in the various animal kingdoms.
This is what I meant when I said that being an atheist is very hard ... and when you add the whole issue of death ... for us, our children and our grandchildren, grasping fully that everyone will rot in the ground when we die, totally hopeless and ultimately forgotten, you will understand why I said that having such a 'realist' view, it is not than easy thing to process.
Thus in the end, for me its rather obvious, that you can't have the freedom of being an atheist ... without the pain that goes with it. -
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by no-zombie ina problem for all who come to realize that our faith is just another manmade religion, is that we start questioning everything we've previously believed.
where ultimately its possible to spiral down past believing in the bible, to the point of questioning god's actual existence.however while some may be happy to think of themselves now as atheists or agnostics (which i doubt that most really are, as living with the full mental and emotional consequences of being one is a lot harder than most understand), i don't think it is necessary to abandon being a spiritual person.
while others might like the idea of drifting into a modern animistic philosophy (which rather conveniently excludes personal accountability), the keeping of the core teachings of jesus has historically proven to give many people a balanced and practical moral code to live by.but what is meant by the term: 'the core teachings of jesus'?interestingly many thinkers from the enlightenment period of the late 1700s, had similar a question.
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A problem for all who come to realize that our Faith is just another manmade religion, is that we start questioning everything we've previously believed. Where ultimately its possible to spiral down past believing in the Bible, to the point of questioning God's actual existence.
However while some may be happy to think of themselves now as atheists or agnostics (which I doubt that most really are, as living with the full mental and emotional consequences of being one is a lot harder than most understand), I don't think it is necessary to abandon being a spiritual person. While others might like the idea of drifting into a modern animistic philosophy (which rather conveniently excludes personal accountability), the keeping of the core teachings of Jesus has historically proven to give many people a balanced and practical moral code to live by.
But what is meant by the term: 'the core teachings of Jesus'?
Interestingly many thinkers from the enlightenment period of the late 1700s, had similar a question. Tired of the old churches, Thomas Jefferson (of US founding father fame and 3rd American president) found a rather neat solution that I feel may hold value for those of us, who may have lost all to disillusionment.
Jefferson you see, lived in a time of great turmoil and pain both in his own personal life and in the greater world around him. But the religious confusion and hypocrisy offered by the clergy in the faiths around him, stressed his personal beliefs to the point where he began to believe in a simpler Christianity based only on the pure teaching of Jesus and excluding all others, including the commentaries of the Apostles. For Jefferson, reflecting on the actual words and action of Jesus Christ, should be enough to become a unfettered Christian ... and the logic to it is sound. After all, the Apostles who guided the early church after Jesus, only became such, by doing that very thing.
So, as a part of his own mental journey, he produced two private books; one called 'The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth' which was unfortunately lost in time and the other, 'The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth', which ultimately because known as the Jefferson Bible. And it is this second one, that may be of interest to many here. Because what he did was, he got a number of Bibles and literally with a razor, re-spliced the gospel accounts into one pure chronological record of Jesus' life and sermons and discarded the rest.While I don't believe that Jefferson ever intended that 'The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth' was to become the Bible's replacement, the simplicity of focusing purely on Jesus's own words is interesting and might be helpful for those who wish to consider Jesus' teachings more philosophically and as a life guide, than that of an actual messiah. However better than another Ghandi or Budda, even Jefferson had to acknowledge that the clarity of Jesus' truths were simple enough for even a child to understand and gain befit from. Which words, have been echoed by many others, because it was and still is, true.
Thus, while our urban legend of CT Russell getting a blank note book to write down clear Bible doctrines, may be fake ... returning to the first principles principles of Christianity, by that I mean the very word of Jesus himself, could very well be a good start for us all to recover some of the balance we may have lost.